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Moving on to strap jacks. I am recessing the locking strap jacks on this one since it will probably be a workhorse at some point. Pictures say it all.

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You call that thin? You wanna-be poser. You can't do thin like I can! :DB)

You may be right on that.... I can barely fit the push/pull pot in these. And were would I be without a push/pull knob? :D

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You'd probably have to resort to putting a SECOND piece in the control cavity! gasp! shriek! the horror! Something like maybe a mini-toggle. Who woulda thought!

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You'd probably have to resort to putting a SECOND piece in the control cavity! gasp! shriek! the horror! Something like maybe a mini-toggle. Who woulda thought!

Bahhh! I have figured out how to cut down the push/pull pots I get. With a grinder... the open switch adds tone :D

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Mock-ups are fun, but I'm just not loving this one. I think it's the way the top bleeds into the back around the edges. If it were even all the way around it might be better.

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I was on the fence about the carve. But I wanted it to be comfortable and that meant cutting the arm rest into the back...

I think in the future i am going to bend the 1/4" top to the arm rest.

However... lets wait until this gets a finish on it to pass judgement.

Worst case scenario I guess I will have to keep it... :D man that sucks... I guess i will hang it on the wall with the other fails... :D HA HA HA HA HA.

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Worst case scenario I guess I will have to keep it... :D man that sucks... I guess i will hang it on the wall with the other fails... :D HA HA HA HA HA.

Nope! Take the hardware off and sell it on eBay. I've had pretty good luck setting the opening bid at the cost of materials, so long as I explain in the details exactly what the actual cost is.

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Worst case scenario I guess I will have to keep it... :D man that sucks... I guess i will hang it on the wall with the other fails... :D HA HA HA HA HA.

Nope! Take the hardware off and sell it on eBay. I've had pretty good luck setting the opening bid at the cost of materials, so long as I explain in the details exactly what the actual cost is.

I was __kidding__ John. You are the first one to not like it. (were is the forehead smack emoticon?)

I am however going to steam bend future 1/4" tops (warmoth style). I think without a veneer layer the reveal does not work as well as a curved top wood. Now if I had put a black veneer under the top and did the same carve it would be a different story.

Learning experience.

This build is a test of padauk (and what type of pickups go with it). I wish I understood its sonic properties like I understand Zebrano (some 20 guitars later). Previous experiments with it have yielded ok instruments but nothing great. I love the way it looks I just have to figure out the sonic properties. This top is soft so I am hoping to keep the guitar warm and dark... we will see. Of course it will sound one way this weekend with no finish on it. Then I will put a finish on and the sound will change...

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I dont mind the carve at all. The uniformity across the bass side makes it look quite nice and unique at the same time. I agree that a veneer of dark material between the top and back would have produced and even nicer result, but big deal. To Johns point tho, would carving a matching contour to the treble side and transitioning it thru the rear of the body take too much material away? maintaining a nice two-tone edge all the way around could very well iron out some of the awkwardness you may feel it has? (tho I dont feel it needs it)

P.S. I am dissapointed the the gorilla no longer shows thru now... :D

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I dont mind the carve at all. The uniformity across the bass side makes it look quite nice and unique at the same time. I agree that a veneer of dark material between the top and back would have produced and even nicer result, but big deal. To Johns point tho, would carving a matching contour to the treble side and transitioning it thru the rear of the body take too much material away? maintaining a nice two-tone edge all the way around could very well iron out some of the awkwardness you may feel it has? (tho I dont feel it needs it)

I am fine with it. I even like it as a solution. However looking at it from the perspective of how can it be better... that is where the veneer idea comes in.

Moving forward it goes as such

if __name__ == '__main__':
if top == .25:
if veneer:
armrest = carve.bend(.370)
else:
armrest = steam.bend(.25)
elif top > .375:
armrest = carve.bend(.370)

guitar = top + armrest[/code]

P.S. I am dissapointed the the gorilla no longer shows thru now... :D

The gorilla is still there... wait until it is wet. (he may have a black eye were a pickup is)

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I really don't like the initial string up on a new guitar. They are always tight and clanky... I like them a week later.

I think I still have some pickup things to work out on this one. It is a very bright guitar and the A4 magnet in the bridge is not helping. Very twangy and bright... Reminds me of a Gretsch. Time to play musical magnets...

I hope I don't have to wind a new set.

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If you don't want the old ones.....

I'm sure I could balance them out with a sapele bodied something.

I will send any FAILS your way... but the truth here is experimentation. I have never used an A4 mag in a pup before. The A4 seems to be very midrangy and in a bright guitar the end result is quacky. Great if I am reproducing a vintage Gretsch but this is supposed to be a shred machine. The answer may be a higher output pup... or simply a mag change. Mind you this is with no Volume knob in the sound path ( a 500K pot might really help here).

As far as a Sapele body goes... Yeah yeah yeah... using known goods is easy. I have several known goods that will rock these pups. You know me a little zebrano, a little mahogany (sapele if we must) and we get good results. This is about making a beautiful wood sound like it looks. Mind you I am splitting hairs here... this thing sounds great like it is. And most guys would be ecstatic about the initial results. However... I think it can sound better. I never want to settle.... shoot I should stop doing this if I have to settle (my better half might make me stop if I can't produce great things).

So the quandary is not the winds on the coil as much as it is the correct pickup for the guitar. I have had great success in the past with low DCR pickups on bright wood guitars. I have a set of EMGs that I have a hunch will sound fab in this beast. I am pretty sure she will play like a goddess when it breaks in so I absolutely have to make it sound good.

One last point. This beast is bare. When I put a finish on it it will change. The sound will change... so we will see.

No one panic. We are way too early in the build to panic.

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I like the "uneven" exposure of the back wood through the top.I thin it really fits with this guitar.IMO if it were the same around the entire border it might look a bit cartoonish.

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. Mind you this is with no Volume knob in the sound path ( a 500K pot might really help here).

Been following htis build for a while, it is looking great.

the above comment you made is completely true. guitars need a load to sound right. using the amp's inut resistor as the only load will make it bright as hell, and makes the cable contribute significantly more to the tone.

I think you will find a marked difference with a pot in place.

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I think that semi-carve rocks!

It's creative, it's different, it's NOT 'beat you over the head with the concept' over the top, it's curvy, it's refined, and it's a mark of your individuality as a builder.

It's just enough to catch your eye, but not enough to be too obvious and gauche.

Artistically, I think it was done to perfection.

I hope it translates well when finish is applied. :D

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. Mind you this is with no Volume knob in the sound path ( a 500K pot might really help here).

Been following htis build for a while, it is looking great.

the above comment you made is completely true. guitars need a load to sound right. using the amp's inut resistor as the only load will make it bright as hell, and makes the cable contribute significantly more to the tone.

I think you will find a marked difference with a pot in place.

That is the hope... But I know the difference between load and no load and I can tell you this is very very bright right now. It was so bright I thought i had the pup out of phase (I didn't). Some things that still may effect the tone of the pup. I predict it will still be bright with the extra 500k. In truth I did a little too much experimentation in one pickup to tell how each piece is effecting the tone.

No volume knob in the signal path -- I have to fix this before making any decissions.

A4 magnet is midrangy -- I think this is what I am feeling from it (never used one before)

Unplated pole pieces? -- no clue yet how these effect the tone

Not potted yet - This will it tone it down a bit. But not much

No finish on the guitar - I just have to put the right finish on it (something lightweight)

I think that semi-carve rocks!

It's creative, it's different, it's NOT 'beat you over the head with the concept' over the top, it's curvy, it's refined, and it's a mark of your individuality as a builder.

It's just enough to catch your eye, but not enough to be too obvious and gauche.

Artistically, I think it was done to perfection.

I hope it translates well when finish is applied. :D

To Wes and Drak

Thanks. It was a really scary thing carving up something so thin that would have looked just fine without a carve. The reveal on the edge was intentional and necessary (I need an armrest) but I tried to be subtle.

As for the finish... I am still debating what to do. The top looks like a million dollars covered in mineral spirits and I want that look in the end. I want the guitar to feel natural. The padauk will look great with an oil but the top is a little soft and probably needs some protection. I am thinking about a BLO with a final urethane layer. I have also thought about doing a rubbed lacquer the thing.

I am open to suggestions at this point.

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I will send any FAILS your way... but the truth here is experimentation. I have never used an A4 mag in a pup before. The A4 seems to be very midrangy and in a bright guitar the end result is quacky.

I LOVE it when they quack like a duck. Both the blade singles and the mini-humbuckers you made have a lot of quack in them, and I just eat it up.

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I will send any FAILS your way... but the truth here is experimentation. I have never used an A4 mag in a pup before. The A4 seems to be very midrangy and in a bright guitar the end result is quacky.

I LOVE it when they quack like a duck. Both the blade singles and the mini-humbuckers you made have a lot of quack in them, and I just eat it up.

Like I said quack has its place on vintage recreations it makes sense. However I am not going for a vintage sound on this one... I want dark and mean.

to be continued...

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I am open to suggestions at this point.

If it were sitting in front of me, I'd CYA glue it.

Then, once basically filled and sanded level with CA, top coat it w/ whatever you want, lacquer in my case.

I would do the top and bottom separately, so you don't drag any Paduak oils onto the top by accident.

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