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Hi guys. I have a question for you gearheads. I am only starting to do little gigs after a long time away from it. Playing solo with a loop pedal and no noisy drummer boy I don't need loads of volume now, so I've been using 2 small valve amps making my rig quite portable. 

First is the blackstar ht5 mini stack. 5w head 2 1x12s. And a little orange micro terror 20w which I find amazing for certain stuff. Just now I plug the Orange into one of the cabs during a break then have a terror bit in the set.

Id like to be able to put the Orange on my pedal board and run both heads to both cabs, and have an AB footswitch to go back and forth between the heads, is this possible? Would the little micro even power both 12s? Maybe some gandalf designed voodoo magic piece of kit?

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Sounds like you want to send one guitar to two amp systems, one at a time?

Is it two amp heads being switched into one cab?

Does the pedal board go into the front end of both amps, or connect into the effects loop?

I've got a feeling Radial Tonebone make some kind of switching system that allows you to do all sort of fancy AB foot switching.

Depending on how complex the switching is that you're after you may get away with a single AB footswitch.

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Hi again Curtisa, long time bro haha. Seems like your the only one who can be bothered to answer my dumb questions.

 Yep it's one guitar into two amps. I actually upgraded from the micro terror to the tiny terror last night and think that it sounds slightly better and louder despite being 5w down on power??. 

 

I have a fender AorB-Y a+b-y switch coming, which will allow me to switch the guitar input between or select both for a blend, but it was the speaker cab connections I was really asking about. I wanted to conect both cabs to both amps rather than just one each or two cabs connected to one amp at a time.

I thought there might be a bit gear availible that would switch over the speaker cable too since I was told that they can't be connected together in parallel. Couldn't find anything so I thought about buying an additional 2 aBY pedals and using them to switch the connections over but would that work with speaker connections?

Ive ended up just settling for one 1x12 per amp for now, I'll see at the weekend if its got enough balls to play a small room. Any other suggestions would be great tho man. 

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Pic for you. Only a small rig but I get a nicer tone than I ever had from my big twin. I'd like to have the switchability to go orange to both, blackstar to both or one each? 2 ABYs work? Won't blow up an amp or nothing?

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Hi again Curtisa, long time bro haha. Seems like your the only one who can be bothered to answer my dumb questions.

He's smarter than the rest of us.

We all ask him questions that we can't answer too.:D

SR

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I still can't answer why so many Australians reckon Vegemite tastes good though.

So:

Guitar -> pedal board -> switcher to either Orange or Blackstar.  And depending on amp selected, the selected amp goes to both 1x12 cabs?

I think what you're after is the 'VT' version of the Headbone.

Sending both amps to one cab simultaneously is beyond the capability of the Tonebone switchers, but you could easily have each amp feeding its own cab and running an A/B/Y switcher at the inputs of each amp.

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I've got a Category 5 combo amp that is essentially two separate amps in one unit. It has two inputs and with a switch it can play through both channels at the same time. You certainly get a bunch of unique overtones and harmonics when doing that.

SR

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Yeah the tonebone has the same one output problem as the rest of the switches I see around. These are all for two amps into one cab, what I was attempting doesn't seem to be possible with the equipment I have. My idea to use two ABYs won't work either because to run a 2 speaker setup the connections need to be in the 2x16ohm or 1x8 channels. Being that my cabs are 16s when I split the signal the amp going to 8 would probably do damage. 

I've ordered one of these..

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will just put it between the board and the amps with one cab powered by one amp. Thought about buying another cab for the Orange, for example theres an orange 4x10 for sale close to me but that starts taking me back to needing vans and stuff to do a gig. My car ain't huge and all this fits in the boot/trunk. 

SR., yeah the two amps sound pretty good in a bluesy kinda mood. If you have one slightly cleaner than the other and get a good balance it sounds quite amazing. Bonamassa uses this all the time apparently so who am I to argue lol. Thought I was being original too haha. 

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No reason why you can't use the Headbone single output to drive both 1x12 cabs. Two 16ohm cabs run in parallel is an 8ohm load through one lead. You'd need to make up a Y-lead to drive two cabs from one output, but it's perfectly doable. The only thing you couldn't do is mixing the two amps simultaneously. 

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Ofcourse... Splitting an 8 makes 2 16s. I should've known that C thanks. I do like the blend of both tho, and I found one cab per amp is actually more than enough for what I need for now. I guess a desk of somekind would allow me to do what I want to but I'm not all that fussed about it. Tbh I'm actually thinking about buying that 4x10 anyway, would solve all problems making it two seperate rigs and I'm pretty sure I can squeeze it in the passenger seat of the car... You guys know what it's like, sell one buy two lol.

Interesting looking at the tonebone site tho, looks like it's proper good quality stuff. I'll be investing in a twin city soon to replace the fender aby which has a little hum/buzz. Not much but the tonebone equivalent looks like noise elimination its sole purpose other than the switch itself, so that's maybe a common problem with that type switch. 

Thanks again for all the advice. Even when I was asking for something that doesn't exist yet haha.

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What I'd like to know is your thoughts on those two amps? I've considered both. Which is higher gain? Does one seem more organic and touch sensitive? Can either do more modern voicings, drop tunings, djenty?

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Well I ended up buying the Orange ppc410-4x10 can for the tiny terror. The two amps are vastly different. 

In my opinion the Orange clean tones are way superior to the blackstar. However the blackstar dirty channel is much nicer. More British overdrive if you know what I mean. The TT dirt sounds pretty good too don't get me wrong but personally I prefer the ht5, drop tunings work fine on both too, not that I play in them much, open c6 is probly as low as I go with an occassional dadgad play around lol.

Choosing one over the other wouldn't be easy for me tbh and Id give them both five stars in any review.

The blackstar does have lots of extras like the ISF knob which does a great job of emulating a fender to marshalesque tone change. Add in the emulated headphone output and 2 footswitchable channels the HT-5  is a better allrounder. If I had to choose only one to gig with, it'd probly be the tiny terror and a pedal board tho. Again it's a hard choice, and personal preference really. Both have plenty volume.

i guess it all depends what you want out of it. Personally I like to use both at the same time and do a bit tone stacking to get my tone.

As a home practice amp, go for the blackstar. again only my opinion. Hope this helps. 

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