Prostheta Posted August 11, 2016 Report Share Posted August 11, 2016 Yeah. that's neat stuff. It takes a lot of eyeballing though, as it's easy to be left in the boat that @Norris has been paddling. I actually love making templates and jigs. Mostly because engineering them to be precise, repeatable and efficient impresses itself onto the end product. It makes it no less work - probably more - however I can probably roll off another 5-string '51 P-bass in a few days (outside of glue drying, wood settlement, etc.) rather than weeks since all the templating work was done right....even if it were for that one instrument. I just can't work "in the wood" as I design and build from the top down rather than the other way around. I guess it doesn't make much difference for most people, but I get a lot of enjoyment and satisfaction from building a complex machine and then asking it to make just one item. I did do a lot of work on manufacturing techniques and processes during my last degree though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottR Posted August 11, 2016 Report Share Posted August 11, 2016 36 minutes ago, Prostheta said: I just can't work "in the wood" as I design And yet that is my favorite way of doing it. Two different schools of thought and yet both are equally artistry. SR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prostheta Posted August 12, 2016 Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 Well that's the thing isn't it? We travel down very differently-worn roads yet end up at the same destinations. I can't tell whether it's amusement or annoyance that I feel when I see people disagreeing (read: pissing match) about two equally-appropriate methods, when the end product is reached just as quickly, accurately and economically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottR Posted August 12, 2016 Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 Exactly. And getting to watch the variety of paths taken is not only more entertaining, but more informative as well. SR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psikoT Posted August 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 Thanks guys! Don't take me wrong, I spend a lot of time in the design stage and all the measurement is done in the computer with a high level of accuracy, the problem is that maths are not compatible with my jigsaw... But I don't care, because all I need is the scale length, the width of the nut and few other measures. And for me, this is like a chain: one measure gives you the following one. So I can't jump to step 2 until I've finished the step 1. Ok, so I have a 3 days weekend, which I'm gonna spend preparing the body. I have all the pieces cropped, just need shit loads of sanding to get them dead flat. I also have to rethickness the main piece. Still deciding if I should route the cavities for the wiring and electronics before glueing the top or do it in the traditional way, as it was a solid piece. I also bought some additional clamps, so now I have 30 in total. I thing they are enough. Have a nice weekend everybody! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psikoT Posted August 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 Ok, so here it is an example of my way of thinking: If I route the electronics cavity before glueing the top, that means I'm doing it before routing the contour of the body. If for some reason I don't get the body contour where it should be, I could get the electronics cavity misplaced some millimeters. However, if I route the body contour first, I can align the electronics cavity much more precisely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post psikoT Posted August 15, 2016 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted August 15, 2016 Let's put some engineer theories to practice... ^^ According to the clamping pressure scheme that Prostheta shared earlier, and making use of a 40mm thick caul with the shape of the body, every clamp should cover about 80mm diameter around it, so I've made a circled template and start covering all the surface, marking the exact location of each clamp. That was cool because you don't have to spend time figuring where the clamp should be, which makes all the process a lot easier and faster. 27 clamps were needed for this operation. I got a clamp skyline. Hope it's ok, if I get a gap somewhere I will kill myself. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psikoT Posted August 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2016 Couldn't wait to see the glue line, so I've routed the contour of the body. Got zero gaps... this gonna be awesome. I also got the neck ready to be attached to the body. So this is the status so far. This is starting to look like a guitar. Cheers! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prostheta Posted August 16, 2016 Report Share Posted August 16, 2016 Looking good! Are those tearout fuzzies in the endgrain telling you that you're cutting too much at once or that your router bit is dull? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psikoT Posted August 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2016 The router bit is not the best in the world, I bought it quite cheap in ebay. I don't expect to have a perfect routing, actually I never had a perfect contour right from the router. Hope the drum sander saves the day, otherwise I'll sand by hand, as I always did. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prostheta Posted August 16, 2016 Report Share Posted August 16, 2016 I buy mine within the EU from Neteberg.eu in Estonia. There's a lot of import crap there, however the Luna Tools router bits are actually very very good for the price. Definitely worthwhile considering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottR Posted August 16, 2016 Report Share Posted August 16, 2016 That last shot with the neck in place and the body partially routed to shape is an intriguing look. Hmmmm. SR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psikoT Posted August 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2016 1 hour ago, Prostheta said: I buy mine within the EU from Neteberg.eu in Estonia. There's a lot of import crap there, however the Luna Tools router bits are actually very very good for the price. Definitely worthwhile considering. Thanks for the link, if you say they are good, then it's worth the try. 14 minutes ago, ScottR said: That last shot with the neck in place and the body partially routed to shape is an intriguing look. Hmmmm. SR There's no trick in that partial routing, I just wanted to check the glue line or I couldn't sleep tonight. I'll flush the remain tomorrow. But I want to make an experiment with the top carving, hope it works (spoiler )... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottR Posted August 16, 2016 Report Share Posted August 16, 2016 16 minutes ago, psikoT said: There's no trick in that partial routing, I just wanted to check the glue line or I couldn't sleep tonight. I'll flush the remain tomorrow. But I want to make an experiment with the top carving, hope it works (spoiler )... Yeah, I know, but looking at it gives me ideas. The stepped side revealing the body wood with that stack of layers on top of it is an interesting look. Bevels and carves have been done to reveal layers, but doing it this way is something I haven't considered before. I know it's not your plan for this one, but somewhere down the road I think that look might end up in a guitar. SR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psikoT Posted August 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 19 hours ago, ScottR said: Yeah, I know, but looking at it gives me ideas. The stepped side revealing the body wood with that stack of layers on top of it is an interesting look. Bevels and carves have been done to reveal layers, but doing it this way is something I haven't considered before. I know it's not your plan for this one, but somewhere down the road I think that look might end up in a guitar. SR There are so many options that I can't decide what to do now... the original plan was making a LP style carving, but a carve like in my last build would be pretty cool as well. Another option would be a round bevel... whatever I choose, it will be quite straight, I don't want to make an exagerated use of the veneer in the middle. Sorry for the bunch of photos, I just want to show the sides from all angles. The robosander helped a lot, I don't know how I could live so much time without one. Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottR Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 I must be hungry, that makes me think of some sort of cake! It looks very tasty. SR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psikoT Posted August 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 Then I'll call it "The Brownie". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prostheta Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 I could go with that too. Not a chocolote fan though really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psikoT Posted August 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 A lil bit of progress, just working in the volute and doing some general sanding before making the neck pocket... coming soon this weekend I guess. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psikoT Posted August 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 Side dots installed... I've used a 2mm diameter pvc stripe for the first time, which was a huge time saving compared with the bone solution I always used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prostheta Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 I guess you mean rod? Yeah, they are pretty handy. I still have craploads after I spent €5 on a Travel Ker-Plunk game years ago. Yellow, blue, red, green....all cheaper than buying the "real" thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psikoT Posted August 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 31 minutes ago, Prostheta said: I guess you mean rod? Yeah, they are pretty handy. I still have craploads after I spent €5 on a Travel Ker-Plunk game years ago. Yellow, blue, red, green....all cheaper than buying the "real" thing. Yes, sorry... I couldn't find the word. 2€ in G&W and is the hell WHITE!... and I have for 3 more guitars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prostheta Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 G&W have become my go-to for toys, definitely. I think if you're in the EU, they're ridiculously affordable and have really developed their offering over the last few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psikoT Posted August 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 Made a bit of progress here. Neck pocket routed... The fit is really tight... The neck has some angle. ... and still need to finish the rounded corners. This is getting shape nicely... and more to come. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prostheta Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 I'd tell you how beautiful this is shaping up. however I am sure that you already know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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