ScottR Posted May 31, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2016 Well, I'm learning a lot about binding. Mostly that I'm not especially good an it, and a whole lot of what to do differently next time. Some of my routes got deep as I was learning my new tool so the back got a thicker outer layer. Thicker outer layers make it harder to bend and fit in tight places. SR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottR Posted May 31, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2016 On to the front. I used a little thinner outer layer for the front, which was easier to bend. Whilst the binding was drying I began to cut the channels in the headstock. The sides have a wide variety of changing geometry. so much that I was only comfortable routing most, but not all of the wide side sweeps. SR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottR Posted May 31, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2016 I was right, cutting these channels by hand, particularly the scrolls takes a bit of effort... .......and an immunity to tedium. SR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIMpleONe89 Posted May 31, 2016 Report Share Posted May 31, 2016 Looks tedious and difficult! Hope all goes well with the scroll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prostheta Posted May 31, 2016 Report Share Posted May 31, 2016 Well, you seem to be managing quite well. Binding a small and complex item is a real challenge on many levels. What glue are you using? I find that glues like Weld-On soften the binding through and through and it can mush up very easily, allowing things to get out of hand. Really annoying for multi ply binding. Currently I am using acetone to self-weld and that seems to be very clean, however can also be sensitive to overpressuring. The elastic is probably the best way forward and it looks to be turning out nicely. Hopefully you'll be rewarded once the scrapers come out, and I can't wait for those photos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightroExpress Posted May 31, 2016 Report Share Posted May 31, 2016 Better and better! That binding looks like quite the task, but it looks like you've got it under wraps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottR Posted May 31, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2016 14 hours ago, SIMpleONe89 said: Looks tedious and difficult! Hope all goes well with the scroll. Yep, you nailed it. Slow and easy does it is the only option. 8 hours ago, Prostheta said: Well, you seem to be managing quite well. Binding a small and complex item is a real challenge on many levels. What glue are you using? I find that glues like Weld-On soften the binding through and through and it can mush up very easily, allowing things to get out of hand. Really annoying for multi ply binding. Currently I am using acetone to self-weld and that seems to be very clean, however can also be sensitive to overpressuring. The elastic is probably the best way forward and it looks to be turning out nicely. Hopefully you'll be rewarded once the scrapers come out, and I can't wait for those photos. After trying a few options from the local hobby shops I went with StewMac's overpriced stuff. http://www.stewmac.com/Materials_and_Supplies/Glues_and_Adhesives/StewMac_Bind_ALL_Guitar_Binding_Glue.html It actually works quite well. I used acetone to laminate the plies together before shaping them and had some de-lamination in the tight arcs, which I halfway expected. I wish that kit had come with one piece three ply. 26 minutes ago, KnightroExpress said: Better and better! That binding looks like quite the task, but it looks like you've got it under wraps. Thanks! I see what you did there. SR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prostheta Posted May 31, 2016 Report Share Posted May 31, 2016 Simple dichloromethane and MEK-based glue. I bet it's the same stuff that TAP Plastics make (Weld-On 16). Is it cheaper? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottR Posted May 31, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2016 I doubt it. $12 for a 2.5 oz. tube. I can't say I've ever seen Weld-On 16. I was looking for Duco Cement around here which used to be cheap and common, but I couldn't find any of that locally either. SR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyjr1515 Posted May 31, 2016 Report Share Posted May 31, 2016 Wow, Scott. That is some great grandaddy of a task! You look to be defying gravity and achieving the impossible at the moment! Great skill, determination and patience on show Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottR Posted May 31, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2016 Stubborn old fart is likely closer to the truth. SR 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psikoT Posted June 1, 2016 Report Share Posted June 1, 2016 I was going to say that for the next time (if were) is better if you glue the layers separately, one after the other, because bending 3 layers together is the hell, specially in those small areas, also prone to weird deformations in the outer layer... However I see that in mandolins, due to the body shape, you have to cut in angle to make the corners, which requires to have the 3 layers glued together before cutting... Not an easy task man, binding is always a mess until you scrape... and you never know what you can find, but they have an easy repair if necessary. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottR Posted June 1, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2016 Yep, that covers about everything I've run into. Being able to make repairs is the upside. To twist the old ZZTop line--I'm gettin' good at missin' you, I practice all the time: I'm gettin' good at fixin' things, I practice all the time. SR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DandHcustoms Posted June 1, 2016 Report Share Posted June 1, 2016 (edited) I really cant wait to see this with the binding all scraped the anticipation is killing me Scott! I've been wanting to try and build an acoustic and seeing this project is making me want to do it that much more. Edited June 1, 2016 by DandHcustoms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottR Posted June 1, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2016 Haha. Patience my friend. If I have to wait, then so do you. Actually I've done a bit of scraping, and despite my carping, it looks pretty good over all. I'll have plenty of things to touch up, but the binding is doing what binding does--adding a touch of class. SR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottR Posted June 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 This weekend I finished carving the binding channels in the headstock. And bound it and scraped it. SR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottR Posted June 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 I haven't gotten around to all the little touch up repairs that need made ...... Then I cut some abalam into inlay pieces. And forgot to take a pic before marking them..... While each section of binding was drying I scraped the binding on the body. SR 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottR Posted June 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 I wanted to see it now with the neck in place and the 15th fret cross-piece in place. And the bound body and headstock. Time to glue the 15th fret cross-piece in place. This is an addition to the neck block. It both adds neck joint support and starts the support apparatus of the extended fretboard. SR 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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curtisa Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 7 hours ago, ScottR said: I wanted to see it now with the neck in place and the 15th fret cross-piece in place. \\ Uh-huhuhuhuhh...Your chair says "bums"... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tekkelenburg Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 Love the binding on it! Headstock inlay looks really classy, nice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norris Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 Wow. Inspirational stuff! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottR Posted June 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 5 hours ago, curtisa said: Uh-huhuhuhuhh...Your chair says "bums"... And it takes great care of them too! SR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottR Posted June 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 3 hours ago, Tekkelenburg said: Love the binding on it! Headstock inlay looks really classy, nice Thanks! I'm looking forward to seeing that inlay actually inlaid and finished. 2 hours ago, Norris said: Wow. Inspirational stuff! Thanks, Norris. It's coming along.....sometimes not so quickly, but it's coming. SR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psikoT Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 17 hours ago, ScottR said: Well, that binding job couldn't be harder, you must be proud of it. You've jumped from beginner(?) right to the highest ranking, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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