spottydog Posted June 28, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 Many thanks. Most helpful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prostheta Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 13 hours ago, spottydog said: I have used the angle detailed on the plan and on the template but after building I find that the string action is too high which has put me off set neck guitars as once the neck is glued there is little room for any adjustment of the neck angle. I would disregard any values on a plan in favour of taking real-world values. If they correlate then you know you're on target. Everybody's work varies at some level so compensating based off that is a better idea than taking these things as gospel. The same applies to my work in that I'll still compensate even if I've derived a "perfect" value from my CAD plan. How you do that exactly is very dependent on your experience and ability to capture variances as they happen and how they apply to the end product. For example, if you fingerboard ends up being 8mm thick instead of 6mm. The way I've always done it is to calculate the height of the fingerboard centre off the face of the instrument plus the fretwire height (call this "X") then the desired middle bridge saddle heights (call this "Y") from the face of the body. Subtract X from Y and you have the "rise" which is how much the strings need to rise as they travel from the point where you measured X to the bridge. A bit of tangent trigonometry later and you can derive your angle. The easiest way is just to do it. If it goes wrong, take something from that by figuring out what went wrong or what wasn't focused on. It's very difficult telling somebody how to do an angled set neck online unless you're either following recommendations to the letter (including tools, jigs, measurement and method) or we're 100% au fait with your available tools, experience and ability. Mostly it ends up being somewhere in between, which is prone to a lot of things going awry. Now, we're also talking about a carved top instrument here. Realistically, the neck angle should be defined prior to the build as this is an integral aspect of the carve itself. In some way that makes things easier because you need to commit to that beforehand. In this respect I second @Andyjr1515's approach of drawing it out. Even though you already have a drawing, making the body will introduce some error margins to compensate around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prostheta Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 Have you read up how a Les Paul body has its neck, pickup and bridge planes defined? This helps visualise the approach a lot better for a carved top. Remember that pickup rings are angled, so there's a lot going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prostheta Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 In my opinion, a Myka jig is idea for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prostheta Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 http://www.mykaguitars.com/tools/neckpocketjig/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spottydog Posted June 28, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 Many,many,many thanks I will read up and look at the video as this is an area where I definitely want to improve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spottydog Posted July 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2018 Guitar project has slowed a little bit. Believe it or not I have been building bird feeders, bird boxes and wishing well planters for people. I hope to get back to my guitar soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prostheta Posted July 13, 2018 Report Share Posted July 13, 2018 You and me both. I've been climbing peaks, swimming in lakes and running a wood-fired sauna at the cabin. Things sort of get in the way, I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spottydog Posted July 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 Guitar is sort of coming not sure if that good or bad... Had to go with cheaper wood due to financial constraints Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prostheta Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 Theres a lot of problems I can see in that wood already. Gappy joints and filler. It might easily have structural problems. Is it being painted solid? If so, those gaps can be flooded with superglue to harden the surrounding wood and provide some better structure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spottydog Posted July 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 You are right not the best of wood but I can only work with what I can get and as I am unemployed cheap it is or I would not be able to build anything. I'll see how it builds up and decide what to do as I go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spottydog Posted July 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 Hi Prostheta If you would like to hear the reason for my use of cheap woods I will write to you if you would like to coraspond with me as I do not want to put the reasons on the Web page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prostheta Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 Yeah, I'm in that position for the moment so I understand how it affects choices and timescales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spottydog Posted July 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 I just want to build guitars because I enjoy it it's as simple as that and if I have to use cheap and unsuitable woods I will because that is the only way I can build a guitar sometimes. I will never build a world class guitar but they look OK and don't sound too bad so what more can I ask. As I said if you would like to write to me let me know and I will be happy to write back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prostheta Posted July 30, 2018 Report Share Posted July 30, 2018 Well, the main thing is that you can take something positive from whatever you do, whether it be unsuitable woods or whatever. When you have access to better materials, you'll be far better armed to aim for world class. Yep, being unemployed puts a right dent in your workflow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistermikev Posted July 30, 2018 Report Share Posted July 30, 2018 On 6/27/2018 at 11:58 PM, Prostheta said: http://www.mykaguitars.com/tools/neckpocketjig/ that's a good tut. thanks for that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spottydog Posted August 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 My oldest son asked me if I could make him a guitar related shelf to store his vape liquids on. This is what I made him 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verhoevenc Posted August 28, 2018 Report Share Posted August 28, 2018 I still have some of the Myka jigs available. There's a thread in the sales section if you search. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistermikev Posted August 28, 2018 Report Share Posted August 28, 2018 On 6/27/2018 at 11:57 PM, Prostheta said: In my opinion, a Myka jig is idea for this. awesome video. learning a lot from it. thank you very much for sharing. also... guy who is clearly a thousand times better than me... but "didn't have the handles in his hand and lifted it(router) up while the bit was still spinning" I can't help but notice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spottydog Posted August 29, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2018 The bottom is now carved and am now starting on the top. This is the first time I have carved and made a semi solid guitar so it is a bit of a learning curve for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prostheta Posted August 29, 2018 Report Share Posted August 29, 2018 On 8/28/2018 at 4:09 AM, mistermikev said: awesome video. learning a lot from it. thank you very much for sharing. also... guy who is clearly a thousand times better than me... but "didn't have the handles in his hand and lifted it(router) up while the bit was still spinning" I can't help but notice! That's Chris Verhoeven's video! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistermikev Posted August 29, 2018 Report Share Posted August 29, 2018 2 hours ago, Prostheta said: That's Chris Verhoeven's video! I'm afraid I don't know who that is... but he def knows a lot. Some amazing jigs there... also, he makes me nervous the way he puts his fingers on that router! i'm sure he knows what he's doing (still has all ten) but makes me cringe. that's a vid I feel like I should probably watch a few times as there is so much to take in. all sorts of pearls... you have enlightened me again - thanks for that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prostheta Posted August 29, 2018 Report Share Posted August 29, 2018 @verhoevenc - Mike needs to confirm your fingers are still in working order, or maybe needs Valium watching you at work! I agree about Chris' experience and the weight of information relayed. Whilst the format is a bit long at 42mins, the approach is correct. Well-explained defensible information that allows you to mentally re-build the process from the ground up in your mind. To me, that is the basis of teaching; relaying understanding rather than simply telling you how something is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistermikev Posted August 29, 2018 Report Share Posted August 29, 2018 ok, I'm slow: just figured out that that is a member here. good to know and sorry for 'calling you out'! I know we all work the way we are comfortable and what might be unsafe for me might be safe for someone else. also, router tables make me uncomfortable... but plenty use them and insist they are more safe than freehand. You gotta do what's right for you. thanks again for sharing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verhoevenc Posted September 1, 2018 Report Share Posted September 1, 2018 Indeed I am a real boy! And have all my digits! hahaha Chris 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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