Ki swordsman Posted July 18, 2004 Report Share Posted July 18, 2004 um you talk about musical freedom (which i agree with) and then turn around and get hung up on 1 guy disagreeing with YOUR definition of a blues scale... it's just a name....jeez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtis P Posted July 18, 2004 Report Share Posted July 18, 2004 ok, wait y'all Lets back track, I came here lookin to learn, and now your arguein and such, why not do it in PM because some do want to learn, I really do want to learn, mostly because my playing sucks hardcore right now, and I dont want to just play the same stuff over and over and over and over again, if you get my drift, I been practicing pentaonic scales in different roots, I aint particularly fond of the blues scale, and i dont have a clue what min3 or maj 7 means, explaining THAT would be useful so i can look at page one and go from there THANK YOU Curtis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ki swordsman Posted July 18, 2004 Report Share Posted July 18, 2004 lol you're right, soz man ok you know what a root note is? i think you do cos you mentioned it... if u'r root is the 5th fret on a string, then on the same string... that makes the 6th fret the min2, 7th= maj2 8th=min3, 9th=maj3 10th=perfect 4th, 11th=diminished 5th 12th=perf5th 13th=min6th, 14th=maj6th 15th=min7th, 16th=maj7th and 17th the octave (the 17th fret is 12 up from the 5th) (so i'm just going down the table of interval names) basically it's a map and scales are your coordinates if i give you coordinates of min3, maj7 then you would go take your root (5th fret) go to the min3(8th fret) and then the maj7 (16th fret) so we now have 3 notes and all the octaves of those 3 notes when you take a scale you find out what intervals it uses, then look at your map, and find out where those intervals are.. does that make sense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snork Posted July 18, 2004 Report Share Posted July 18, 2004 this is actually very helpful. i SUCK at intervals. however i did just get back from terry syrek and toshi isedas shred class! and i do have some new ideas and know how to improvise through the modes including harm minor. but and one or two of melodic minor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ki swordsman Posted July 18, 2004 Report Share Posted July 18, 2004 cool if you understand my last post you're far from sucking at intervals it's just about understanding how the 'map' works Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snork Posted July 18, 2004 Report Share Posted July 18, 2004 oh i understand them. and i understand tensions and how they "code" for scales...etc. i.e sharp 11 coding for lydian because of lydians sharp 4 but i just suck at playing intervallically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smitty Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 so that is a blues scale ^^^^^ OK, got one scale down, X amount to go! Curtis only one thing i know...pentatonic scale is different from the "blues" scale...the blues scale has 2 extra notes? blues has one extra note. when you play the A minor blues scale like this : ----------------------------5--8------ -----------------------5--8----------- -----------------5--7--8------------- -------------5--7--------------------- -----5--6--7------------------------- -5--8--------------------------------- theres is the 6th fret on the 5th string, and the 7th fret on the 3rd string, which makes two notes that you dont play when you play a similar pentatonic. thats cos this scale is two octaves of the blues scale, and therefore the one extra note is played twice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snork Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 the blues scale just has one passing tone from the major scale. it's not areally a note to be vamped on. however it is good to use in passing.; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ki swordsman Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 xactly, and when playing any scale every note that's not in the scale becomes passing notes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wylde1919 Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 Ki, I agree (as usual) with Dangerouso. As usual he knows his stuff ! In any rate Harmonic Minor is a great scale to use. I would also suggest try working out a lick that uses one of those "tensions" as your center point. A great trick that I used to enjoy is arpeggiating the chord only using a little formula to add flair to it. Take your chord question and say its root is A. Take the notes of the chord and find where they lay in the Harmonic Minor scale. A-B-C-D-E-F-G-#-A then play a pattern where you you start one note on the =scale above your target pitch go a half step below your target pitch and then end up on your taget pitch, using triplets so you would have B Ab A, D B C, F Eb E, A G G#, and then you can resolve on the A or repeat the patter an octave higher, or if the chord has changed apply the pattern to the next chord. If you like that try pssing over the target pitch each time so the pattern would be in eighth or sixteenth notes like this B A Ab A, D C B C, F E Eb E, A G#G G#, If that all makes sense and you like it cool, if you don't understand, lemme know and I'll try and break it down. And if you just don;t liek then you obviously have no class J/K O and another great trick would be to use your Major 7th (g# in this case) as a pedal point. You'll get some dissonance but only in a hip Miles Davis way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ki swordsman Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 cheers i'll try those ideas out the bass riff is somber enough as is so to lighten it up, i'm not going with the harm minor i think i'll go for some strange exotic jazz sounds.... give it that "it's minor but major" thing... eh i'm tired and it's early morning no sleep timefor sleep time...yknow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snork Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 check out whole tone . thats some weird stuff. it works over a common dom7 chord. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveq Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 I was recently trying to explain modes to someone and came across a web site that does a good job of explaining all of this: theorylessons.com I don't agree at all with his view on "string locks" and the nonsense about how much trouble they are but once you get into the actual theory lessons, it's really quite good. There is an excellent explanation of intervals there and he does a good job of relating all of the material and the real bonus for beginners is that there are fretboard diagrams. If you're just starting out playing guitar - I would recommend taking theory a small bit at a time. Don't spend all of your time working on theory - have some fun and don't make it into a boring/frustrating experience. Spend some time learning your favorite songs (the simple parts ) from tab and explore on your own a bit in addition to learning a bit of theory each day. Don't skip ahead in theory lessons or think that some parts aren't really needed - learn it all as you go and commit to memory. Never lose track of the fact that it will pay off in time. Check the link out as a second reference to the information in this thread - it may help tie them together for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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