Bill-Murray Posted September 2, 2004 Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 I want burstbucker pros in my guitar, and I want them to be double creams. Would it screw up the pickup to take the bobbins out and replace them, or do you know of any other pickup that's double cream??? Like Jimmy Page's bridge pickup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovekraft Posted September 2, 2004 Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 Don't Burstbucker Pros come with nickel or gold covers? If you're planning on removing the covers, doesn't that defeat the purpose of buying a replica pickup that's designed to sound like the original, especially if you're willing to replace one of the bobbins just to change the color? Wouldn't it be easier to just buy a Dimarzio PAF Pro or a Duncan '59 in cream? Just my opinion, but it doesn't sound like a good plan to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren wilson Posted September 2, 2004 Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 Considering the coils of wire are wrapped around the bobbins, "removing" them from a pickup is quite the feat. To my knowledge, humbucker bobbins are not user-replaceable. Also: Doesn't DiMarzio have a patent on double-cream coils? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
litchfield Posted September 2, 2004 Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 Nobody has a patent on double creams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jefm Posted September 2, 2004 Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 I think Oreo does?? Ummm yeah...buying an expensive pickup and then dismantling it and rewinding it....it's a little silly...you could probably buy the parts and wind one yourself...it'll be about as much work....then you can have you're burstbucker and eat it too.....MMMmmm double cream Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeR Posted September 2, 2004 Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 No- its not a patent- (a patent protects a 'method of manufacture' [a legal expression, not literal expression- it would take too long for me to explain the ins and out of Intellectual Property Law here, so dont get too concerned]) However, Dimarzio has Trademarked the double cream look humbucker (eg of a trademark- the McDonald Golden Arches). Dimarzio managed to be granted a trademark for the double cream humbucker because they were (apparently) the first to issue double cream humbuckers as a replaceble retrofit for PAFs (evidence was submitted that Gibson, nor any other manufacture, had sold double cream humbuckers BEFORE Dimarzio did) (this is obviosly 'questionalble' to say the least) Anyway, Seymour Duncan challenged the issuing of the trademark, and the matter was settled 'withoiut predjudice' (another legal expression, basically meaning confidential) outside court. As it stands, however 'correct', Dimarzio DOES have a trademark on the double cream humbuckers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
litchfield Posted September 2, 2004 Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 Thing is, Gibson had made creams before, along with black and zebra. They just hid them under a PAF cover. Original PAFs came in chrome or gold, but under the cover could be any combo of the three. They weren't careful about what color the bobbins were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeR Posted September 2, 2004 Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 Yes, precisely. Thats why it seems so unfair. It was because Dimarzio made a choice to have exposed cream bobbins, and Gibsons could be either black, creme or zebra and they were covered. It was because of Dimarzio's intention to market double cream humbuckers. regards, luke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren wilson Posted September 2, 2004 Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 I wonder if DiMarzio has gone after Carvin for trademark infringement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
litchfield Posted September 2, 2004 Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 doubtful, cuz they'd have to take mighty mite, SD, gibson, and nearly every other manufacturer on too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill-Murray Posted September 2, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 Okay, so I can't have burstbuckers. Do any of you know any double cream pickups that have the classic LP, PAF, Jimmy Page sound??? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Rosenberger Posted September 2, 2004 Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 Nobody has a patent on double creams You're Wrong, Dimarzio Double cream Trademarked This was taken from Seymour Duncans Website DO YOU MAKE DOUBLE-CREAM HUMBUCKERS? The look of the double-cream humbucker has been trademarked by DiMarzio®. We offer many other colors, ie. black, zebra, white, blue, red, etc. but not double-cream. We're sorry for any inconvenience this creates for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xafier Posted September 2, 2004 Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 A patent on the colour of something? thats really lame... I mean seriously... I'm gonna get the patent on black t-shirts, then I'll be rich but seriously, how can you possibly patent a colour of an object? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill-Murray Posted September 2, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 Dimarzio is gay. Gibson was making them as early as 59'. Dimarzio make crappy pickups. Just because they are dumb, they're gonna ruin it for the rest of us??? It's like saying only Fender guitars can be sunburst, or something stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted September 3, 2004 Report Share Posted September 3, 2004 Nobody has a patent on double creams Larry DiMarzio does and thats why you can't order a true double cream from any other company. Course DiMarzio invented the creme bobbin to begin with and that was an accident. As the story goes they were producing the PAF pickups for Gibson and ran out of the proper material to produce the usual black bobbins one day but at the same time they had plenty of raw material for the trim rings and donuts which of course were/are creme colored. Since the bobbins are hidden under the cover anyway they though nobody would ever really find out their little switch on materials for a few days worth of production. One day a famous guitarist pulled the cover off seeking a different tone and that gave birth to the Double cream and Zebra frenzy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucky1 Posted September 3, 2004 Report Share Posted September 3, 2004 (edited) Edited September 19, 2004 by lucky1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill-Murray Posted September 3, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2004 I could do that, or have any of you tried any Dimarzio pickups??? I said they suck because I was mad, but maybe they'll work. If they made Gibson's pickups (Which I didn't know), then they are probably good. Can I get double cream in all of their pickups?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted September 3, 2004 Report Share Posted September 3, 2004 BTW the others are right it is a trademark not a patent.......still it can not be manufactured legally without permission Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
litchfield Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 (edited) That's odd because I have seen double creme duncans. Of course they are probable called something different and are special order. As for a true jimmy page pickup, I officially introduce the pagebucker! Grinning dog Shuld be notied that Jimmy has been using Gibson 498t bridge pickups with a 500r for years. Edited September 4, 2004 by litchfield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 Double cream Duncans do exsist and thats confirmed. They are just very rare because they were sue'd for producing them. Just like some older Ibanezs were exact copys of Gibson and Fenders..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
litchfield Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 Wow, so do you actually know Larry, or are you just well researched in this area? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeR Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 I too have heard alot of nasty things about Larry Dimazio- apparently, the virtuial vintage tm series of pickups are an exact ripoff of Chris Kinman's patent. I dont think Chris can afford to challange it, however. (And he charges about $5 Australian for a 10c capacitor!) Luke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill-Murray Posted September 4, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 How much is $52,000 yen??? lol. That's a bummer man, I really wanted double cream....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill-Murray Posted September 4, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 Okay, Carvin makes double creams (At least for now) so I think I'm gonna get one. Has anybody tried their pickups?? I hear the C and H series are too bright, but what about the m22's??? Kinda a PAF sound?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 Wow, so do you actually know Larry, or are you just well researched in this area? I've spoken to him on a few topics and have his office number but I'm just a business associate and no he isn't in New York where the Company is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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