drewtimfan Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 I have read every topic on polyurethane and nitro lacquer. What are the best spray can poly's??? Also, are there any nitro lacquers that will dry in a short time? I have seen a lot of suggestions, but no definite suggestions for poly clear coats or fast drying nitro clear coats. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devon Headen Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 I've never used any furniture grade poly, and doubt I ever will. For rattlecan lacquer, I highly reccomend Deft. I think Maiden found it about 3 days after I did, and we both love it. I wet sanded and buffed out after two days. It was already free of fumes and passed the fingernail test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maiden69 Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 I've never used any furniture grade poly, and doubt I ever will. For rattlecan lacquer, I highly reccomend Deft. I think Maiden found it about 3 days after I did, and we both love it. I wet sanded and buffed out after two days. It was already free of fumes and passed the fingernail test. ← 2ND it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drewtimfan Posted March 15, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 Devon Are you saying after 2 days it passes the fingernail test? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maiden69 Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 depending on how thick you paint it, yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southpa Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 I assume you read LGM's pros and cons on various finishes. Heres my take, from my personal experience, on polyurethane. I've had good results with Minwax fast-drying clear gloss polyurethane. BUT, make sure your wood is grain-filled and smooth. After a while the poly will shrink/sink in and the pores start to show thru. ALSO, the guitar will flex around glue joints and the poly will not stretch with these expansions and contractions, it will crack along the seam lines. Poly is less forgiving in the repair area as well. Make sure the first coat is the thickest and only a very light scuffing is needed before applying the next coat. If you break through to wood while sanding and then recoat, the area can still be seen. Laquer blends in better, but lays down much thinner than poly. Thats why most autobody supply stores I've dealt with don't sell as much rattlecan laquer paint as they used to. Everyone seems to like enamel more because one coat of enamel is equal to the thickness of 3 coats of laquer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drewtimfan Posted March 16, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Sorry to sound redundant devon and maiden but... Are you saying it totally cured in 2 days and was ready for polishing... I am new to the whole finishing process, so i appreciate your help and input Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devon Headen Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 It was for me. Like Maiden said, it depends on how thick you lay your coats on, but it dries quickly no matter what I'm sure. It tacks pretty good in under a minute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drewtimfan Posted March 16, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Thanks for all your help! Is the deft good for doing neck finish...meaning just spray that stuff on the neck and thats it, no other product? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maiden69 Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Thanks for all your help! Is the deft good for doing neck finish...meaning just spray that stuff on the neck and thats it, no other product? ← Yes, but if the neck is bare it will take a lot of coats to get it done. I use the sanding sealer because it builds a lot faster than the laquer. same goes for all bare wood finishing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drewtimfan Posted March 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Do you get the deft at the store? If so i am going tomorrow and getting some cans... I am gonna try it and see how it goes. I am gonna do like 5 coats over the next week... Hopefully it will be ready to take to the studio on april 1st... Do you think there is any chance to have it polished and ready, providing i do everything right from here on out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devon Headen Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Could be. You better get started, though. I got mine at Lowes. You're gonna need a LOT more than 5 coats, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maiden69 Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Could be, but you will have to finish spraying and wait atleast a week to be on the safe side. Even thought mine was dried in 2 days I gave it 2 more just in case. DEFT can be bought at Walmart, Lowes and some Home Depot. Look on their site for sale reps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maiden69 Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Devon, get off my tail!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68 lost souls Posted July 21, 2005 Report Share Posted July 21, 2005 Sorry bout digging up an old topic but just wondering what deft is like on necks, does it give a fast finish? Also does anyone know if you can get it in Europe? Finaly do you guys use the clear wood finish or the Defthane Platinum Protection? Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maiden69 Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Sorry bout digging up an old topic but just wondering what deft is like on necks, does it give a fast finish? Also does anyone know if you can get it in Europe? Finaly do you guys use the clear wood finish or the Defthane Platinum Protection? Cheers ← Nope to your 2 questions, and I don't know about the last one. DEFT will feel like nitro and it is not a smooth feel, it get's kinda grabby, not like tung oil or bare wood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68 lost souls Posted July 23, 2005 Report Share Posted July 23, 2005 Cheers I will be staying away from that then. Someone said on here that for a fast finish that gives good protection you should use just one or two layers of polyurathane (sp?) then use some 0000 grit wire wool on the final finish what do you think? Would that give enough protection in Ireland where the weather changes drematically and can be very damp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68 lost souls Posted July 23, 2005 Report Share Posted July 23, 2005 Sorry forgot to ask, I will be using spray cans or something rub on or brush on just wondering what would be the best type of paint/laquer to use for a real fast playing finish on a maple neck? (nitro/poly etc.) Can you get a poly can? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maiden69 Posted July 23, 2005 Report Share Posted July 23, 2005 Almost anything glossy will not be fast, so if you use the steel wool over the nitro it should be OK, but remember that in the long run, the rubbing of your hand against it will make it shinne again, so you will need to rub it again with the wool. I haven't done anything brushed, I think it is a waist of time, since you have to be darn good in order to brush and leave no marks at all. This will translate into hours on sanding between coats or when doing the final pass. I would rather use spray any time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68 lost souls Posted July 23, 2005 Report Share Posted July 23, 2005 So what I take from all this is that my best bet is using nitro rattle cans doing only a few thin layers then rub with wire wool? Is this right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maiden69 Posted July 23, 2005 Report Share Posted July 23, 2005 If you are using the nitro just paint it as normal then rub it lightly with steel wool. a few light coats won't fill the grain good enough. I rather use tung oil in that case (if its a maple neck) for anything else use nitro or any other hard finish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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