thegarehanman Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 just out of curiosity, how many of those 4k are actually active members? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovekraft Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 If you mean active posters, just go to the list and sort it according to the post count. If you mean lurkers ( and they do count, since they're the ones who are learning without degenerating the S/N ratio), the only way I know to check is to manually check each profile for the last activity date. Maybe somebody else knows an easier way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluespresence Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 I think some people take this internet forum stuff far too seriously to be quite honest with you, everyone has an on/off button, and a cursor that will take them anywhere on the internet they choose to go. Amen to that! If you don't like it then leave. Why hang around if it is such a horrible experience for you? It makes no sense at all to me. Last year during our growing pains I took a few weeks off to because the whiners were taking over and it appeared they were going to continue to whine until the rest of the forum bent over in submission. It ain't going to happen this time and thanks to the people that do speak up and drive off the whiners we won't see that mess again. Don't like the channel, change it. Don't like the forum, leave and start your own.....we've seen it before. Remember this is Brain's house, respect it. Would you like it if we all showed up at your house and pissed on your curtains?? Didn't think so........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegarehanman Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 That reminds me...At the party after prom, my junior year of high school, I pissed on the wall in somebody's house. Honestly, I don't even remember doing it though. I got s*** faced and passed out after asking my date to marry me. My friends told me that about an hour after I passed out, I woke up, tripped over a coffee table, and proceded to take a piss on this girl's wall in front of everyone. Fortunately, before I had done too much damage I was escorted, by the only sober person there, to the bathroom. Ahhh, those were the days. Now all i have are LSU's parties, it's not like LSU is party school or anything(note sarcasm). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevan Posted July 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 I might have to redo this poll after the trash has been taken out, so to speak. I'm fairly sure that of those 8 votes, most of them come from the UK, and a couple of others are funny-haha jokers having fun. I'm with ya, Drak. Though the milk/cookies line is a bit harsh, I'd rather have that as opposed to "blood/guts". So you folks know, there are over 4000 members, with about 65% of those being active within the last year. Some folks sign up just to get emailed posts from specific threads, and never post anything. That's not really active, but they do count as a member. As far as visitors go, PG.com gets tens of thousands of hits a month (Brian has the exact numbers). Some of that is you and me, some are Google searches, but it's still a good chunk of change/bandwidth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haggardguy Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 I do agree that some people here don't have much of a sense of humour and others at times have too much I think drak and Wes and some of the other guys who are sort of "key" members here have a sense of humour and kinda like to goof around and tease each other, and I think its cool. If someone here teased me I might have a laugh about it (depending on if it was funny or not ) and I might tease them back. With recent events and people saying that we don't have a sense of humour,it helps if you say something funny . As for newbs I was never treated badly or mocked or anything when I first signed up on this forum but also I think that the newbs need to read some stuff on the mainpage and some threads to a)maybe find the answer to the often asked question that they have or realise what the attitude of this forum and its members are so that when they get here they don't suffer a massive culture shock. All in all this is a great forum,the best I've ever been apart of because most of the members here know what they're talking about, are adults and mature(I can't believe I just said that about you guys ) and you don't bullshit anybody about anything. I was recently on another forum that I occasionally visit and someone had written a "how to article" on how to buy a guitar, I figured I'd give it a read. The author filled his guide with false information, lack of inmportant information and an overall lack of knowledge on his subject. So I rectified all his mistakes in 3 posts(because it coud'nt all fit in one,thats how bad it was). After fixing his mistakes to try and help new guitarists not buy a complete POS I was flamed by several members because "its good for a beginner" or "it missed somethings but was pretty much good" and my favourite "you're a dick,the guy knows what hes talking about,go learn how to play guitar". Anyways just a little bit of perspective as to why this is the forum I call home..out of all internet forums that is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdguitars Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 I know two people that don't post here often for various BS reasons... Thats 2 too many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drak Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 With all due respect to you and your opinions, and not trying to say you're wrong, ...this is not a perfect world we live in, and if it was only two, I would consider that as near picture-perfect as a place could be. That's 'almost' a backhanded compliment to PG in a way if you could name only 2 out of 4000. The Fender Discussion Pages lost -sooooooo- many members due to the issues over there over the past 7-8 years, the members (counting in the HUNDREDS) who were either banned (many) or pissed off (many more) up and formed The Fender Forum because there were So Many of them, and BOTH places are thriving and healthy as hell today, with many posters who never got banned or pissed bouncing back and forth (including me) between the two of them. Some others who left the FDP for various reasons went to the TDPRI or it's sister site, some other went to The Amp Workshop, some went to other places I could name. This internet forum thing is a very alive and flexable thing, you have room to move as you see fit to find a place that is suitable to you and your temperment and tastes. Just to put things into perspective. I still see no real argument here -at all-. Just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psw Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 I voted but didn't respond initially, cause I didn't know quite what this was really about...and didn't want to influence the votes... Thank's Drak for linking to the story...cleared that up... Am I "afraid"...YES...I'm "afraid" that I've hurt the feelings of some members recently...perhaps it's the global climate...it does seem that there are cycles of this type of thing...If I caught the disease and hurt anyone in the process...I'm sorry... As for the moderators...thank goodness someone is there to close a thread or intervene in some way...It's very hard when you're one of the protagonists to stop...Though they've always given plenty of latitude...so, on the occassions that this has occured, I've always been thankful, and made that clear... I do think we're in one of those cycles in which humour is misunderstood and there is friction about...though pretty mild...shame about that...and we are suffering a little from the "cult of personality" where people can be a little quick to jump on a "PG celebraty's" POV and make it into a lot more than it is by hammering it home much harder than the original poster themselves intended... Anyway...you've got to go a long way to get "banned" here...it's a priviledge to use this forum, if the moderator's suggest that you're about to cross the line...hey, they work (for no pay) for the guy who's made it available (for no personal benifit), and if they say there are rules and you're going too far, well they'll let you know...as they should...and if you don't, they'll ban you. I've never seen any evidence that anyone's even been warned for posting stuff that offends a moderator personally or is against their personal opinions...I'm sure they have better things to do, and would enjoy the fight too much if they didn't... Afraid...only of myself!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill-Murray Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 I think this sites gone downhill. What happened to the "Web Fun" section?? It got too politically correct. Everybody's afraid to step on another's toes. Now we get in trouble for saying poop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdguitars Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 I run a business. I refer customers here. It makes me look stupid to tell them its a great site, but you have to look through the BS. stuff gets old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhoads56 Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 If i have something to say, i say it. Afraid of getting kicked?? Nope, my opinion being expressed is more important, and if the mods feel my opinion or attacks against the clowns (and ive been correct EVERY time ive found one) outweigh the information i provide, well, so be it. The web fun section was crap. Sorry. Too many people making personal attacks against others becuase "it was allowed". Doesnt change the fact peoples feelings get hurt, opinions get misunderstood, etc. There were some VICIOUS comments in those threads, and i stayed well clear to avoid getting involved. If my name had been brough up and attacked like i saw others do to regulars around here, i would have gone ballistic. Its one thing to have a go at someone, but its a totally different thing to personally attack, constantly, over and over, in a public forum, simply because two personalities clashed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sepultura999 Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 I think the forum is fine the way it is. When talking to someone in person, it's easier to tell if they are joking or not, whereas on the internet you can't tell, it's all just words and we make it as we see it. I couldn't care less if there was a "fun" section. I am here to learn about guitars, and read up about guitars. If I want to talk about fun, I'll do it with someone I can actually have a conversation with, less than 10 feet away from me. I am not afraid, because I am not doing anything wrong, and if I was, I would expect the warning that the mods said they would give. So either they are lieing, or I am the nicest guy ever Yes I have posted in topics regarding politics and religion, however out of the few times I have, there have been other times where I wanted to post even more. Yes there has been some bad events happening on this forum, but shouldn't a forum expect that? There was litchfield, before my time, and recently GSR and the guy who registered under a name insulting Drak (is that blasphemy to the PG Gods? lol) but that's why we have mods, and they are dealing with them. Don't let one apple spoil the whole bunch. If people have a problem and leave, that's fine, there are 6 billion people in the world, I'm sure it wouldn't hurt PG if a few left now and then. Also, people should not confuse (and it can be hard sometimes) honesty with an attack. -Jamie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drak Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 I run a business. I refer customers here. It makes me look stupid to tell them its a great site, but you have to look through the BS. Tell me, exactly what does that post have to do with the topic at hand here? PG is geared more toward helping the newb builder in the first place, that's what this place is at heart (or it's my understanding anyway) and following the logic that a newb builder will probably be somewhat young and bring to the table all the things and expressions young people will do and say, then what right do you have to ask anything differently of them? They're the people we're supposed to be helping out, they are the PRIMARY FOCUS of this place, but the way you phrase it it sounds like we're all supposed to be on our best behavior for your customers so they will be impressed with you. It sounds to me like you have maybe forgotten the basic premise of this place to begin with, or you're putting the cart in front of the horse so-to-speak. Am I wrong? Also, I like the fact that we hash out crap like this, it is a sign of a HEALTHY forum to openly discuss issues like these, this is not a bad thing, it's a good thing, except to the ultra-politically correct crowd who believes you should keep your mouth shut if you don't have something nice to say, or to those people who are scared of any sort of confrontation. 'Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jivin Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 Also, I like the fact that we hash out crap like this, it is a sign of a HEALTHY forum to openly discuss issues like these, this is not a bad thing, it's a good thing, except to the ultra-politically correct crowd who believes you should keep your mouth shut if you don't have something nice to say, or to those people who are scared of any sort of confrontation. ← Thats a bit of a generalisation I think. I am one of those people, but I am certainly not afraid of confrontation and I think this sort of discussion is a good thing. Over the last few years on internet forums I have seen more and more people pop up who are just rude to others and hide behind their "rights" or the fact that they are being "honest". It's called good manners, and its something everyone should have been brought up with, and just because no-one can touch you on the internet doesn't mean everyone shouldnt maintain a healthy level of respect - thats called maturity. Luckily, compared to a lot of other forums around, project guitar is pretty good on that front I must say, which is nice to see. That said though, sometimes there are people (new and old members alike, but mostly the new ones) who just need a good kick up the arse, and I am all for that. Everyone has to learn one way or another, its just that people have to remember that most of the time things can be sorted in a polite manner. - Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psw Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 (edited) For whatever reason this thread has come up...it's both healthy and timely...so thanks Kevin for bringing it up and giving people a forum for clearing the air... In this I echo Drak's last post... Also, I like the fact that we hash out crap like this, it is a sign of a HEALTHY forum to openly discuss issues like these Some interesting replies on this page...I'd like to thank Drak for his time and thought in his posts...I hope he doesn't feel obliged, the disquiet is broader than some recent single event... I liked some of these choice cuts... I think this sites gone downhill. What happened to the "Web Fun" section?? Good to see that it's not a sycophantic backslapping...but I'm with Perry, all the way on this one... The web fun section was crap. Sorry. Too many people making personal attacks against others becuase "it was allowed". Doesnt change the fact peoples feelings get hurt, opinions get misunderstood, etc. There were some VICIOUS comments in those threads I was horrified at the depths some of this stuff had gotten to (and I come from a nation of knockers )...some came just to knock while others just came to paw over the carnage...very distracting for those who come here for it's main purpose... ...It makes me look stupid to tell them its a great site, but you have to look through the BS. stuff gets old. It certainly does...you ban someone like Litch and now GSR so why bring him up to continue to haunt the forum...it does create a bad image (perhaps that's what BigD is refering to)...fascinating as it is...we all like a good peep show...but really, been there, done that already... Also, people should not confuse (and it can be hard sometimes) honesty with an attack. Or a clearly stated opinion, suggestion, questioning of an idea as some kind of personal abuse... So you folks know, there are over 4000 members, with about 65% of those being active within the last year I'll tell you what though, huge numbers of regular visitors who never sign up, or only sign up when they have a specific question, use this forum at any time. I know for a fact that many, many of the 18,000 plus visits to the sustainer thread are visitors who have heard about it from other sites (word gets around) and there are often more visitors that members (in my time zone) by more than 2 to 1. I've even observed them using the search function, so perhaps these visitors don't have a need to join up cause they're getting what they need, from whats already available...it's simply another resource...no rule to say you have to join in... Point being, for any number of inactive members there are any number of unsigned (if you will) "members" to take their place... Must be doing something right or they wouldn't keep coming back and posting positive things about some of the stuff here in other forums... pete sorry jivin...posting when I was..so I'll add your's to the list of choice cuts... That said though, sometimes there are people who just need a good kick up the arse, and I am all for that. You can tell a fellow Australian a mile off.... Everyone has to learn one way or another, its just that people have to remember that most of the time things can be sorted in a polite manner. or...a swift kick up the arse...such is the disadvantage of not conversing face to face, so to speak.... Edited July 11, 2005 by psw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 but you have to look through the BS. there is very minimal bs in the building sections.and off topics sections are ,by definition,off topic...the mimf has the same info,but maybe less of a sense of comraderie...and definately less bs...to me the place is boring as all hell(just my opinion),yet you reccomend this site as opposed to the mimf. why is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToneMonkey Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 I think alot of the problems here have been caused by everyone geting a little overheated in some conversations. It just seems like there are a few people here (Perry, Drak, Wes etc) that come down (sometimes rightly) quite hard on people. But then, what I think is the major problem, is the torrent of other peoples posts repeating what the established members have said. Sometimes it just seems like a playground with the little insecure ones tagging onto the bigger boys, doing what they do and saying what they say. In some cases, this has got more out of hand and people have been followed around the boards constantly having people on their backs. Look at the Litchfield thread and how out of hand that got. There were people posting in it that never knew Litch when he was here, all piping up with their own opinion. My axe is on hold at the minute because there are too many other things going on for me at the minute. For this reason, I don't post in the technical sections anymore. I read them, but I have no experience so I don't reply, I don't need to ask questions so I don't ask questions. I think if people just got the hell out of what doesn't concern them, instead of chipping in an opinion all the time, the whole place will chill out a bit. May peace be with you and may the trolls nevr come knocking on your monitor. Kaj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdguitars Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 what don't you get drak? people are afraid to post something cause every once in a while someone tells it like it is. as a noob do you want to get your heart ripped out? Wes I refer people here cause it was a little more fun, and there is a lot more action here. mimf is great, I advertise there, but its so slow at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Drak Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 people are afraid to post something cause every once in a while someone tells it like it is. as a noob do you want to get your heart ripped out? Well, if that's your opinion of what goes on around here, OK then, you are certainly entitled to it, but it's my opinion that that viewpoint is overstated and mostly untrue. But that's why the poll is here I guess. Guess we gotta agree to disagree on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haggardguy Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 To what BigD said, I was a newb (and still am I guess) around here just a couple of months ago... I never got my heart ripped out and I'm stil lhere and I love it. I think that newbs need a little common sense and know when to back off a little. It's like coming into class late,you don't walk in and make everyone tell you what they just learned because that interrupts their learning and the teachers teaching, plus you're gonna get disicplined because a)you're late and b)you had to restart the class. Instead you go in after class and find out what you missed. Alot of newbs don't want to take the time to "stay after class" so to speak by using the search function or reading around to see if they can find their answers. Instead they ask the question and open themselves up to the "discipline" that they would recieve if they were interrupting everyone else for their convienience. Thats just my 2 cents. Spencer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooten2 Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 I think that newbs need a little common sense and know when to back off a little. ← I think everyone, newb or not, needs a little common sense and know when to back off a little. When a situation arises, it's how WE react that makes us who we are. If someone flames us, we can flame back, and the situation could escalate into a multi-page battle of words. Then we are no better than the original flamer, and he has brought us down to his level. Or we can simply walk away and not waste any more of our precious time on stupidity. The flamer will be ignored, and everyone will see him for what he is. The thread will continue on it's original subject and won't be hijacked into a war. To me, an internet forum is just like anywhere else when you have to interact with other people. A little respect can go a long way. There are many ways to make your point; some ways can be constructive, and others can be destructive. But no matter what, there will always be people who thrive on contradictions and personal attacks. When the next flame post pops up, just remember, it takes 2 to tango. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drak Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 You know, I was looking at the question again, then reading the posts, and I noticed something... The poll is for basically being afraid to post -for fear of being banned or suspended-. Which, really, is ridiculous. Getting banned or suspended around here is pretty freakin' rare. Extremely rare actually. BUT, It says nothing about not posting for fear of being humiliated or harassed, which seems to be more addressed in the posts than actually the fear of suspension or being banned. Just sorta noticed that, and there is a -distinct- difference between those 2 issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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