bigdguitars Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 me and a couple of poeple have had some auction pulled by this guy, we are trying to figure out what he owns, interms of trademark and all of that. Thanks, Derek Link to comment
rhoads56 Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 http://www.ronkirn.com/ Now you've got me interested too... Link to comment
Scott Rosenberger Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 a quick search at the us Patent and Trademark office didn't yield anything Link to comment
crafty Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 Did they give a reason why it was pulled? From the looks of the shilling on his website, it appears that he has an axe to grind with you guys or something. I'd simply start complaining to eBay about HIS auctions and see how he likes it. Link to comment
bigdguitars Posted August 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 I listed a tele guitar template that I made. I used these words. nashville Tele Guitar body blank luthier parts template Tele is the only word there that is registered to anyone and thats fender. John Marshall, a customer of mine, owner of Luthiers International also listed a tele template. His was cancelled using the VERO program, mine was too. John emailed me since he had pretty much the same problem and he watches my auctions. Under the vero program, I got his name as Ron Kirn, Kirn Consulting. Thats it, I looked up the patent office and trademark office I found nothing. So who is this guy and how did he get something trademarked that he does not own... Link to comment
marksound Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 I Googled him and found this. EDIT: Found his ebay listings here. He sells templates, too. Link to comment
Scott Rosenberger Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 Here Derek, get him busted for This A Fender Logo on a non fender guitar. thats counterfeiting Link to comment
GodBlessTexas Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 Looks like he's a competitor when it comes to selling guitar stuff. I'd ask VERO *** they cancelled your auctions. I'd then send him a letter on legal letterhead to cease and desist for unfair trade practices. Remember the Alamo, and God Bless Texas... Link to comment
jay5 Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 I had an auction for a tele template pulled by that guy a while back. There is also a seller on ebay I have dealt with many times who stopped selling body templates for the same reason, Ron Kirn. He kept pulling there stuff too. The VERO program sucks because all you have to do is register and then you can complain about anything. Ebay asks no questions whatsoever. I could register and pull anything I wanted, easy as that. You don't need to have any proof of anything. From what I found out, this a$$hole sells tele templates and has taken it upon himself to make sure no one else can sell them on ebay. He has absolutely no right to do this obviously but the way the VERO program is set up there is no way to stop him through Ebay. He is essentially claiming ownership of the telecaster shape and the concept of template routing a body. ***? If my auction hadnt been pulled AFTER it ended , I would have definately sent him a nasty/threatening email. He's just strongarming people. I would send him an email and tell him you arent going to put up with his crap. Link to comment
Scott Rosenberger Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 What a wanker. ← Who me or him ? Link to comment
GodBlessTexas Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 Funny, he doesn't/didn't like VeRO either. http://tdpri.com/viewtopic.php?p=199771&si...c2c0076a0cab77f Ronkirn Joined: 01 May 2003 Posts: 59 Required reading for those who are interested. PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 8:48 pm Reply with quote http://www.forbes.com/manufacturing/2004/0...0622fender.html Required reading for those who are interested. There are several issues here. First is, e-Bays Verified Rights Owner program. VeRo is what e-Bay calls it. Through this arrangement e-bay allows a VeRo member to claimed infringement on any auction being run. They will summarily cancel the auction without verifying if any actual infringement exists. If you are the item lister you are screwed. E-Bay requires the e-Bay member that was canceled to contact the VeRo member, Fender in this case, to resolve any issues. The VeRo member must notify e-Bay to inform then that everything is now cool. Needless to say Fender doesn’t give a shi* and will not notify e-Bay of a darn thing. They VeRo whatever they darn well want, knowing there is no recourse for the seller. Fender has become the bully. For those suggesting they have a right to protect their intellectual property, I wonder if it is in fact theirs. Compare the Stratocaster headstock introduced in 1954 with the Bigsby Merle Travis guitar introduced in 1947. The similarity is overwhelming. Yes, Nash Guitars does indeed deserve our support. Ron Kirn I guess he decided to start using it himself. Checking his user historty, he's been active there as of a few days ago. Also, his contact info is contained in his domain registration. Want to see a sattelite image of his house/neighborhood? Remember the Alamo, and God Bless Texas... Link to comment
Setch Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 Sterling Silver nut? Well that's a triumph of hype over *any* common sense... The guy's a tool. Link to comment
fryovanni Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 What a jerk. Looks like that guy thinks he has an old market cornered. Roast that guy Big D. Rich P.S. His insites into construction are amazing. A one piece body means glue joints will not dull the tone. Glue is not resonant. Each glue joint is a sonic barrier to the string vibrations. Do not let any one kid you. An electric guitar is as much an acoustic instrument as a violin. The wood is one of the primary components generating the overall voice of the guitar and every major guitar manufacturer is constantly looking for quality light weight lumber for use in their better products. But the other goodies make a difference too This is important information for the person that is going to buy a $2200.00 plain jane Telecaster clone. Link to comment
bigdguitars Posted August 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 I have myself and the owner of Luthiers International going after him. he emailed me back, nothing in there that is of that much interest. the guys got a lot of nerve I have to say that much Link to comment
GodBlessTexas Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 Did he use his comcast address? Personally, I'd out him on that forum I posted about. He's a hypocrite for talking about Fender sticking it to people and then doing it to others. Did you use any of the stuff for disputing the rights claim with eBay? Remember the Alamo, and God Bless Texas... Link to comment
rhoads56 Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 Ok, im looking for a fight.... lets get him bigD Link to comment
fryovanni Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 Quick Search=Tele Board Interesting Feller Link to comment
westhemann Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 so far what i have read that this guy has written makes him sound like yet another ed roman wannabe. every time i read anything from any "custom builder" in which they start making all of these grandiose,know it all statements,i lose all respect for them. besides...he has an awful lot of poor spelling and grammar in his auctions.... i prefer when a "know it all" can at least spell it all Link to comment
Guitarfrenzy Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 From some searching I found this link at GuitarSite.com where someone was talking about Ron Kirn. If it's true or not I do not know. But he does have a site www.ronkirn.com that looks like he's going to have up and running by September like was already mentioned. All I know is that he sells books on Ebay and guitar stuff. The most ironic thing is that he bought something from bigdguitars not long ago.. now that's wild.. lol BigD sold to Ron K Link to comment
GodBlessTexas Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 BigD sold to Ron K ← Even left him good feedback: Great e-Bayer, Slicker 'n Texas roadkill in a rain storm, good as it gitz AAA+++ Buyer ronkirn ( 1695Feedback score is 1000 to 4,999) 27-Jun-05 12:32 7330946504 Remember the Alamo, and God Bless Texas... Link to comment
crafty Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 Send this message to the fenderlegal membername: Hello, there is a seller named ronkirn who is posting several items for sale as Stratocaster and Telecaster. Specifically, finished guitars with the Fender logo and templates that are supposedly exact duplicates of Fender guitars. These items do not appear to be made by Fender, but look to be very good quality. Are they made by Fender or authorized replacement parts from Fender? I'm so confused! Link to comment
bigdguitars Posted August 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 I thought that name was familair... I looked up my paypal records and have bought stuff from him in the past. Thats not the feedback I left him. Link to comment
thegarehanman Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 (edited) Hello, there is a seller named ronkirn who is posting several items for sale as Stratocaster and Telecaster. Specifically, finished guitars with the Fender logo and templates that are supposedly exact duplicates of Fender guitars. These items do not appear to be made by Fender, but look to be very good quality. Are they made by Fender or authorized replacement parts from Fender? I'm so confused! Here is the web address of a "telecaster" he is selling. http://cgi.ebay.com/CUSTOM-TELECASTER-NOT-...1QQcmdZViewItem I hope that he be bought to justice immediately if these are not real. sent by "garehans" to "fenderlegal" as of a minute or two ago. EDIT: damn, just noticed that typo...hope that doesn't effect anything Edited August 25, 2005 by thegarehanman Link to comment
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