perhellion Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 What are "Shredder fret option" and "Speed shelf neck joint option (jumbo + banjo frets)"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goth_fiend Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 I dont mean to be rude, but dont you think a pm to perry would have answered these questions better then starting a thread? although truth be told I am curious as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jivin Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 In a nutshell, the shredder option is where the frets get thinner higher on the fretboard: http://www.funkyshack.com/camo/pics/22-FretsInstalled2.jpg and the speed shelf (to my knowledge anyway) is just the recessed area around the heel: http://www.funkyshack.com/camo/pics/39-WhitePaint2.jpg Clearly Perry will need to explain it in more detail, becuause I have no idea in what way the banjo frets relate to the neck joint... but im sure Perry will, seeing as he coined it - Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goth_fiend Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 well I would assume that banjo frets are very small? I just dont know, but I like the idea of using smaller frets the higer up you go on the fretboard, but does it make levelling and crowning the frets more difficult? (getting ideas for my 27...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perhellion Posted October 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 I thought maybe some other members might also be curious and might benefit from answers not only from Ormsby but answers from others (which have kindly been provided, complete with links) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marzocchi705 Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 well I would assume that banjo frets are very small? I just dont know, but I like the idea of using smaller frets the higer up you go on the fretboard, but does it make levelling and crowning the frets more difficult? (getting ideas for my 27...) ← You can use frets that are thiner but the same hight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhoads56 Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 ahhh ... you see, this is what happens when you add a GOTM entry at 3:30am Shredder option is standard jumbo frets to the 14th, then a thinner, but just as high fret from there on. Lots of guys complain about jumbo's not giving them any room up the top of the fretboard, this goes someway to solving that. Speed shelf is basically a recessed section at the neck joint, which allows the player to 'stick their thumb' right behind the joint and REALLY REALLY bend some notes. Why call speed shelf?? I dunno, i thought it looked sleeker than normal. Editted the GOTM entry to fix typos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javacody Posted October 24, 2005 Report Share Posted October 24, 2005 Perry, I like the idea of thinner frets up high, especially if you've got fat fingers. What's the thickness of those higher frets? Also, got any photos of the speed shelf? Is that anything like the contoured heel where the heel is thinner and gets thicker towards the body? Edit, just checked out the the GOTM thread. Perry, that guitar is way cool. I love that cavity treatment! That is an amazing special touch. It seems like you outdo yourself with every new guitar! What's the trimpot for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhoads56 Posted October 24, 2005 Report Share Posted October 24, 2005 EMG afterburner, gain boost control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Rosenberger Posted October 24, 2005 Report Share Posted October 24, 2005 Jake E. Lee used smaller frets on his guitars too. only his started after the 12th fret. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soapbarstrat Posted October 24, 2005 Report Share Posted October 24, 2005 By calling it "Shredder option", I thought you were doing that "trick" where the fret heights get lower as they go toward the body, which is supposed to be ideal for "speed metal". That's not my opinion at all, just what I've seen one or two others say. From what I know it's a crock, because I think I've gotten the lowest actions possible without doing that. But, if you're using the same height along the whole board, I agree that it's a nice option to have. I would have that on my own guitar, except I like them narrow all the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay5 Posted October 24, 2005 Report Share Posted October 24, 2005 So are the thinner frets also shorter? Does that pose a problem when trying to level them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soapbarstrat Posted October 24, 2005 Report Share Posted October 24, 2005 He wrote they are the same height, just thinner. I assume his "banjo" frets are between .035" and .040" high. That would be *modern* size banjo wire. in the old days, I think banjo wire was what is now called mandolin wire. Even lower and thinner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay5 Posted October 24, 2005 Report Share Posted October 24, 2005 Ahhhh, cool, must have missed that. Cool all the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jivin Posted October 24, 2005 Report Share Posted October 24, 2005 Perry, I like the idea of thinner frets up high, especially if you've got fat fingers. What's the thickness of those higher frets? Also, got any photos of the speed shelf? Is that anything like the contoured heel where the heel is thinner and gets thicker towards the body? Edit, just checked out the the GOTM thread. Perry, that guitar is way cool. I love that cavity treatment! That is an amazing special touch. It seems like you outdo yourself with every new guitar! What's the trimpot for? ← I posted a picture of the speed shelf at the beginning of this thread :D And yeah, the the PA2 is just a variable gain booster, up to 20db as far as I know, hence the trimpot. - Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perhellion Posted October 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2005 There must be some other benefit to smaller frets on higher numbered frets besides getting your fingers to fit. Jake E. Lee has tiny hands (I shook his right hand once.) I always wondered if his frets were also shorter and if he thought the action could be lower because of that. Looks like it would complicate leveling. (And I shook his hand after a show as he leaned off the stage, about to leave, so I couldn't ask him.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhoads56 Posted October 24, 2005 Report Share Posted October 24, 2005 There must be some other benefit to smaller frets on higher numbered frets besides getting your fingers to fit. ← WHY?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soapbarstrat Posted October 24, 2005 Report Share Posted October 24, 2005 I guess the *look* of it could be another reason. More fret-board wood to see if the crowded fret area has less massive frets. Possibly sound too. Those upper frets can get a little "warbly" sounding, and maybe a more narrow fret helps the note sound more "focused". I don't have a name for it, like Perry does. I just say something like : " and you can also have me put more narrow frets near the body, as long as they are the same height". Then I have to explain which ones are the same height. An "old standard" is the "6100" (Dunlop size number) with "6105" near the body end. Ralph Novak was the first one I heard of doing this. Maybe Jake E. Lee just has it done on his 24 3/4" scale necks. I think it makes more sense on shorter scale necks. I mean, here's a 25.5" scale neck I just put .057" x .110" frets on : http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v398/soa...ew_frets_21.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v398/soa...ew_frets_22.jpg Still looks and feels pretty uncrowded for a wide fret, to me. Banjo size frets are great on a bass. The perfect size for that, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ansil Posted November 4, 2005 Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 Freakin Amazing idea perry. My proverbial hat is off to you man. I was talking with a guy i know and he never thought of anything that cool. i like the fat frets for ease of tapping and stuff. but i keep my little cheap strat with high narrow frets like randy for precision. that makes so much sense it isnt even funny it should be a freakin rule or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mailman Posted November 4, 2005 Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 i think i may just shoot for this for my current project i always wanted to try jumbo frets, but at the same time i knew i had to get thin ones cuz my fingers barely fit on the higher frets (and whats the point of getting a 24 fret neck if i cant use any of the extra?) great idea bro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soapbarstrat Posted November 4, 2005 Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 Yeah, an idea so good that I hope Ralph Novak has been paying Perry a fee for using this very idea since the early 90's and possibly before that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jehle Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 This is why I used mandolin frets on the Odd Boy. They are really really tiny compared to other fret wires. Think of how dinky a mandolin neck is and the thin wire makes sense. The only downside is that there's not a whole lot of fret wire there when you level them. You can chew through them pretty fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhoads56 Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 Yeah, an idea so good that I hope Ralph Novak has been paying Perry a fee for using this very idea since the early 90's and possibly before that. ← Like Novak charges a fee for an idea that was used back in the 17-1800's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soapbarstrat Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 We've probably really confused the children now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javacody Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 Yeah, Perry didn't invent this idea, but he exposed it to a large group of people here with a really great guitar. What's not to like? Thanks Perry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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