verhoevenc Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 Hey, I was wondering if anyone's thought of doing their necks this way... so it's kinda like cutting it out of a 3"x3" slab... but you don't waste as much wood, and you don't have to mess with scarf jointing. Would this be strong enough? This is just to give you an idea, you'd probably need to laminate more than one piece of wood at the headstock to get it... but this is just to show/get my idea across. Then ofcourse you'd put a veneer over the back and front or something Comments? Ideas? Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egdeltar Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 That looks like it would waste a hell of alot more wood then just a single 1" board cut with a scarf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setch Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 All the disadvantages of a 1 piece neck, none of the advantage of a scarfed one. The scarf is an easy, easy joint. It's also strong, and economic on wood, so why look for an alternative? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verhoevenc Posted November 9, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 (edited) because I hate doing them lol How much you wanna bet, that if someone sold pre-scarfed neck blanks they'd make some $$$ Chris Edited November 9, 2005 by verhoevenc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaxination Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 someone does... http://www.warmoth.com/supplies/supplies.c...useaction=necks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verhoevenc Posted November 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 OH GOD! I love it! It's genious! Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattia Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Seen 'em done that way, it's not uncommon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hughes Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 is it really that complicated to cut and glue some angles? the only thing im not sure about is getting the 1" headstock to the standard size Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattia Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 is it really that complicated to cut and glue some angles? the only thing im not sure about is getting the 1" headstock to the standard size ← It really isn't, and a sharp handlplane will thin that headstock right down real fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goth_fiend Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 for $35, I could make 5-7 necks jeez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddiewarlock Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Hey, I was wondering if anyone's thought of doing their necks this way... so it's kinda like cutting it out of a 3"x3" slab... but you don't waste as much wood, and you don't have to mess with scarf jointing. Would this be strong enough? This is just to give you an idea, you'd probably need to laminate more than one piece of wood at the headstock to get it... but this is just to show/get my idea across. Then ofcourse you'd put a veneer over the back and front or something Comments? Ideas? Chris ← I build my neck thru blanks that way, usually i never have thick enought pieces of wood so i have to do it that way, there isn;t much waste of wood if done properly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveq Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Don't forget that you can take a few 3/4" pieces of wood and turn them on their sides if thickness is an issue. The width becomes the thickness and you're flatsawn wood becomes quartered. It's not the best for conserving wood but I think it beats laminating that way. Then again, if it's what you like - don't change a thing . For cutting down the thickness on the headstock, I use my bandsaw with a 1/2" blade. I clean it up with a sanding block or occasionally a block plane. There are lots of ways to do this but I don't think it needs to be too difficult. I think it's fairly common for people who haven't tried scarf joints to want to find another way. Give it a try though - I think you'll find that with a couple of attempts, you'll build some confidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhoads56 Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 for $35, I could make 5-7 necks jeez ← you could also send $35 to some dude who just takes your money and runs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marksound Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Yanno, for someone who has trouble "seeing" what a scarf joint should look like from pics and diagrams, one of those Warmoth premade things might be a good investment. You can hold it in your hand, turn it all around, compare your work to it, beat the neighbor's dog ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guitarfrenzy Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 I think we get this question about scarf joints about once a week, so I think it's time someone does a tutorial on them, and I'm starting this afternoon... lol I can understand how it might be scary to do one, but it's really not that hard guys. Not bad enough to pay $35 dollars for one blank.. yikes.. Here is the basic steps. 1. Determine the headstock angle you want and draw it out on the edges. 2. Cut the angle with whatever method you prefer, bandsaw, tablesaw jig, etc. 3. Smooth the cut surfaces, using router smoothing jig, hand plane, etc. 4. Glue the scarf joint together. Done.. I personally use the bandsaw for step 2. You must make sure your bandsaw is setup properly though for this method. Then I use the Router Smoothing Jig for step 3. Which step is the hardest for you? Maybe one of us can help you solve your problems. Good luck. Matt Vinson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattia Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 I'm up for doing a 'all hand tools, all the time' photo tutorial next time I do a few necks, if people are interested. Honestly, my impression is that it's people who aren't comfortable with handsaws or bandsaw, but more importantly either don't have a router jig, or are unfamiliar with how to sharpen, tune and use a plane that have problems prepping the surfaces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verhoevenc Posted November 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Yeah, it's all about the getting it flat! The cut isn't the annoying part, it's getting everything flush. And as for "after you do a couple you'll like it more" type attitude, I just did my second and still see $35 as a steal. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guitarfrenzy Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Yeah, it's all about the getting it flat! The cut isn't the annoying part, it's getting everything flush. And as for "after you do a couple you'll like it more" type attitude, I just did my second and still see $35 as a steal. Chris ← That's very true. Why don't you try building a router smoothing jig, it works great for me, if your still wanting to get better at it. If not, buy the neck from Warmoth, nothing wrong with that, but I'm just trying to encourage you to not give up on it. I will make a tutorial on this very subject and show every method I know about building a scarf joint neck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verhoevenc Posted November 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 hahaha, i haven't given up on it... cause they don't offer pre-scarfed east indian rosewood blanks so na matter what i'm not DONE with scarfs.... HOWEVER if maple ever comes along, I think I'll go with them for simplicity. Plus all my wood-working is done by carrying my tools out to the front porch every time I want to use them. Being a college student I don't have much space for my tools, non-the-less jigs, etc. Now if I had a workshop that's a different story, I'd build jigs galor and have a planer and EVERYTHING... but it's not really an option Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaxination Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 guitarfrenzy, thanks for the link to the video link. actually, that method could also replace step 2 for those of us who don't have a big enough band saw. my band saw can only do up to 3" and i usually have 4" stock to cut (i don't care to glue headstock wings - just my pref). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughes Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 when getting the headstock thickness, using a hand plane sounds good, but should i lay it fretboard first on the table and get the back of the headstock? or go on the top of the headstock? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goth_fiend Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 for $35, I could make 5-7 necks jeez ← you could also send $35 to some dude who just takes your money and runs ← so true.....and unfortunate...but hey at least things are progressing now eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattia Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 when getting the headstock thickness, using a hand plane sounds good, but should i lay it fretboard first on the table and get the back of the headstock? or go on the top of the headstock? ← I tend to plane the headstock bit almost down to final thickness (I pretty much always veneer the headstock, so leave that proud), then glue, then clean up the remaining mm or so on the face of the headstock. Removing thickness from the back is easyish and fine if you've got a drum sander/router/thickness sander to do it with, but a pain if with a handplane (neck shaft gets in the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guitarfrenzy Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 Like mattia, I get my headstock wood to a little over 1/2" before I glue the scarf joint on. I use a bandsaw to do this, and block sand to smooth out the marks the bandsaw leaves. Man there are millions of ways to build.. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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