Pex657 Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 I was wondering if there is some where on the market something like a Delay effect that can be put onboard in the guitar? Thanks, -Pex657 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psw Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 Sorry, I think you'd be out of luck there... I looked at doing something like this but even DIY circuits are thin on the ground. Probably the best bet is to gut out an effects pedal...see what you can find on eBay or those new Behringer effects are small and cheap. Also be aware that delay effects tend to eat batteries, if they work reliably at all on them...so you may have to look into remotely powering up the guitar. I'm also interested in this but haven't come across much their either. It would be of particular benifit to my sustainer project. If you were going to go remote, you could build in a whole multi effects unit like a second hand zoom or something which would give you a whole range of effects and amp sims too that you could program and select through with two little push buttons...just a thought. But you got to have the power...psw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pex657 Posted January 6, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 (edited) I looked at doing something like this I saw one of your posts when i typed in onboard delay in the search option. I was also thinking the only way to do this is to probably kill a pedal. Thanks for the info. Edited January 6, 2006 by Pex657 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rokeros Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 Or instead of killing, just build one but without the shell, just the circuit and transplant it into the guitar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sambo Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 U'd probably find it hard fitting one in a guitar, and as with all delay effects, they eat batteries. So... Ya know. The point is, is it worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erikbojerik Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 If you're using the delay for echo or slap-back effects, then you want it as almost the very last thing in the signal chain (reverb being very last). So if you put it in the guitar body, you'd have to send your signal out of the guitar, then back in for the delay, then back out again. Oy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoughtless 7 Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 Couldn't you use like phantom power from a Pre-amp to power it? (unless i am totally off with the phantom power thing) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psw Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 Couldn't you use like phantom power from a Pre-amp to power it? No I mean't powering without batterries, from a wall wart up the guitar lead. If you're using the delay for echo or slap-back effects, then you want it as almost the very last thing in the signal chain generally yes, how ever for special effects that you may want to do (andrew Belew sound effects and looping, etc) on board makes a little sense. U'd probably find it hard fitting one in a guitar, and as with all delay effects, they eat batteries Hence the need for external power... A full multi effects unit on the guitar is not such a crazy idea, if you can get it cheap, like the sound, and are happy with it being only in one guitar... So... Ya know. The point is, is it worth it. Quite possibly not...good points, all of them...psw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Marossy Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 If you have a HUGE control cavity, you could buy an Arion SAD-3 for $29 and re-house it in your guitar. Drawback - eats 9V batteries really quickly and only has a delay time of 250-300mS. The PT80 is nice little design, but I can't remember the delay time - http://www.freeinfosociety.com/electronics...o/pt80delay.pdf And I hear good things about the Rebote 2 Delay - http://www.tonepad.com/project.asp?id=27 And the PT2399 delay at www.geofex.com can get you about 350mS - http://www.geofex.com/PCB_layouts/Layouts/pt2399.pdf You might be able to build one of these circuits small enough to fit in a guitar control cavity. Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ansil Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 you know the little dano pedals are cheap small and dont' really consume batterys. might i suggest an alternate way of powering it. stereo jack would be best then use an exteranl batt pack on your strap like a wireless unit. theres a great light weight battery that is around 9v fully charged and has a 5400mah battery with its own charger. perhaps thats a little extreme can you smell waht the ed is cooking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoughtless 7 Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 I the pre-amp i have plugs into the wall socket, and also has phantom power which carries the power through the audio cable to power microphones or other effects. You could try and build a bypass phantom power box or something to power it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballyfin Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 I was wondering if there is some where on the market something like a Delay effect that can be put onboard in the guitar? Thanks, -Pex657 ← [/quoteHi stewmac.com have a Miniature passive guitar overdrive circuit with a "tweed amp" crunch! Black Ice Overdrive Encapsulated in a 1/2" cube, Black Ice circuitry replaces the capacitor on a guitar's tone control. It transforms the tone control into a battery-free overdrive control, letting the player dial in smooth variable overdrive "crunch." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovekraft Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 Phantom power is almost a no-brainer, so long as you don't have to supply much current - just run the DC voltage through the same conductor as the signal, and block DC at each end with a large cap. Obviously, you'll need a very stable, quiet power supply, since any ripple or noise on the power buss will be coupled into the output, but it shouldn't be too difficult to clean up a 9 volt power supply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ansil Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 Phantom power is almost a no-brainer, so long as you don't have to supply much current - just run the DC voltage through the same conductor as the signal, and block DC at each end with a large cap. Obviously, you'll need a very stable, quiet power supply, since any ripple or noise on the power buss will be coupled into the output, but it shouldn't be too difficult to clean up a 9 volt power supply. ← is this the same LK that told me not to do this with my sustainer or did aliens take over your brain???????????????????? just wondering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorecki Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 (edited) Why not just go buy one of those Alesis X guitars? It has the same FX as their amps, built into the guitar! http://www.zzounds.com/item--ALEXGUITAR Next..... Edited January 6, 2006 by Gorecki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovekraft Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 ...did aliens take over your brain???????????????????? I appreciate the concern, but you gotta pay attention, Ed - you obviously missed this fairly important point! ...so long as you don't have to supply much current... Is a small digital delay (even a notorious battery killer) likely to pull as much current as a power amp and a driver coil? I could easily be wrong, but I tend to doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoughtless 7 Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 I could easily be wrong, but I tend to doubt it. ← That bit just made me laugh for some odd reason. I was thinking about putting a chorus effect into my guitar, but i think having a pedal is a little easier to use imho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
croaticum Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 Doesnt EMG used to have pot with effect? I think i saw that years ago somewhere. The other way, that i did with my bass player's guitar is that i built the korg pandora in his guitarbody and got rid of all the pots except for a volume. I'll get you a pic of that. So on front side you see the lcd and the buttons and it mounts from behind where i did just a cover so he can take it out if he needs it for something else.Allso i did a cover for a front side so when it is out it dont looks odd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psw Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 That sounds cool croaticum Here's a pic if that alesis guitar thanks Gorecki AS for powering a delay...hmmm...my Boss DD3 is very sensitive to power supply and eats batteries. And certainly the sustainer is a different kettle of fish. However, maybe you could use one of these ideas to charge a small on board battery when the device is turned off but the guitar still plugged in.... psw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psw Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 is this the same LK that told me not to do this with my sustainer or did aliens take over your brain???????????????????? clearly it is a more technical problem than the above...perhaps a device like this below would provide the required current.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pex657 Posted January 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 If you have a HUGE control cavity, you could buy an Arion SAD-3 for $29 and re-house it in your guitar. Drawback - eats 9V batteries really quickly and only has a delay time of 250-300mS I was also found Arion DDM-1 that is also $29 So if you put it in the guitar body, you'd have to send your signal out of the guitar, then back in for the delay, then back out again That seems what I will have to do. Since I can not start this project fully now, might be a couple years. I am getting everything ready and learning everything that I can. Planning to have one Seymour Duncan SJBJ-1 JB Jr, one volume knob, and then the delay affect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psw Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 Here's something of interest... comes from http://guitarelectronics.zoovy.com/. One way to at least get the battery out of the guitar... I'm still a little concerned (like LK) about sending much current down the lead but it could work for some effects and would be fine for powering little preamps or EMG's and the like... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pex657 Posted January 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 It seems that the Rebote2 Delay from Tonepad.com would work for my needs. It seems small enough not to take up too much room and still give the desired effect. Now I am wondering how to change to having and input and ouput connections in the guitar to just an input. Psw that would seem like the best thing to use to get rid of the battery problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovekraft Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 Ooooh!! That's a fiendishly clever little gadget - basically what it does is take advantage of the way we use a stereo jack as a power switch for active electronics. In a normal active setup, the battery ground is connected to the ring terminal of the stereo jack, and connected to the circuit ground when a mono plug shorts the ring to the sleeve. All they're doing is removing the battery and shorting across the battery clip, and then connecting the positive battery voltage to the ring and the negative to the sleeve, powering up the circuit. If you can find a stereo cord, the rest is pretty trivial - of course, if you're not handy with electronics, $70 isn't really unreasonable for a commercial unit that comes with a warranty, a cable, over-current protection and a low battery indicator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psw Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 Yeah...I thought it was neat when it was brought to my attention...but...would it be ok with the power requirements of something like a sustainer and work of a regulated power adaptor...and how would we DIY it???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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