townshend Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 hey all i have a prob with my epi casino two of the screws on the saddle (slidy things) vibrate against the wire thingy on the bridge does anyone no how i can fix it? thnx all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuitarGuy Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 hey all i have a prob with my epi casino two of the screws on the saddle (slidy things) vibrate against the wire thingy on the bridge does anyone no how i can fix it? thnx all little dab of silicone will go a long way, use it sparingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
townshend Posted January 31, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 uuullllll id be scared to use that! n what say i need to adjust the intnation(sp)? would replacin the slidey thing and screw help? sorry for my bad spelling im kinda in a hurry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuitarGuy Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 silicone is a non permanant fix. silicone will stick until you peel it off. And im not saying soak it im just saying put a tiny dab on it like the head of a pin or a little more than that to stiffle any vibration. Are you sure its the screws and not the roll of of the saddles. you want the breaking point (the highest point of the saddle that the strings rest on) to be on the edge of the bridge toward the neck. If the saddle groove is higher on the opposite side it will buzz in the groove. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
townshend Posted January 31, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 here is a pic, im pretty sure the circled screw is vibrating against the wire.......im really sorry but i didnt exactly understand what u said it could be is there a special type of silicone u recomend? thnx for all ur help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuitarGuy Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 I'm very doubtfull that the noise is coming from the saddle rattling, theres a lot of downward force from the strings to hold them in place and that wire is effectively a spring so im doubtfull with that as well. This is most likely the problem, the one on the left is a proper saddle, the one on the right has a saddle that the slot is improperly angled, the string vibrates inside the saddle slot because there is nothing supporting it up to the edge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
townshend Posted February 1, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 (edited) I'm very doubtfull that the noise is coming from the saddle rattling, theres a lot of downward force from the strings to hold them in place and that wire is effectively a spring so im doubtfull with that as well. This is most likely the problem, the one on the left is a proper saddle, the one on the right has a saddle that the slot is improperly angled, the string vibrates inside the saddle slot because there is nothing supporting it up to the edge. uh k i understand u now, but i belive its just the screw that vibrates agains the wire... if i get some one to put there finger on the screw it stops.... but if it is what u say how can i fix it? edit:if i touch the screw under the g string i can move it were as i cant with the others Edited February 1, 2006 by townshend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuitarGuy Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 If it were the saddles you would just need to file the slot so it slants away from the edge like the left picture. By what you describe i think you're probably right and its the saddle, make sure its seated into the bridge. On the tune-O-matic I have here, the saddles need to be pressed pretty hard to get them to sit down in the slot. After that a little dab of clear RTV silicone should do the trick to just keep it from vibtrating. I would put one dab under where the screw head rests on the bridge and another where the wire is hitting the saddle. Like I said eariler tho just a little dab the size of the head of a pin so no one will see it. Unless anyone else reading this has a better idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
townshend Posted February 1, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 (edited) If it were the saddles you would just need to file the slot so it slants away from the edge like the left picture. By what you describe i think you're probably right and its the saddle, make sure its seated into the bridge. On the tune-O-matic I have here, the saddles need to be pressed pretty hard to get them to sit down in the slot. After that a little dab of clear RTV silicone should do the trick to just keep it from vibtrating. I would put one dab under where the screw head rests on the bridge and another where the wire is hitting the saddle. Like I said eariler tho just a little dab the size of the head of a pin so no one will see it. Unless anyone else reading this has a better idea. thnx so much for all ur help, im off to go get some silicone now ummmm how do i get the saddle of? and should the wire actually touch the saddle screws? coz i noticed the ones that rattle the wire does not touch? n if so how do i bend the wire to touch the screw Edited February 1, 2006 by townshend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccbryan Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 Clear nail polish will also do the trick. Just dab it around the rattling area. It dries hard and will just break off when you need to adjust the saddle using the screw. Keep it off the finish though. Chandler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuitarGuy Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 ummmm how do i get the saddle of? That wire comes out of the holes that it is pushed into. Just pull it out and the saddles will just fall out. Oh, and i should add, make sure the guitar is properly intonated before putting anything on the saddle to keep it from rattling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
townshend Posted February 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2006 ummmm how do i get the saddle of? That wire comes out of the holes that it is pushed into. Just pull it out and the saddles will just fall out. Oh, and i should add, make sure the guitar is properly intonated before putting anything on the saddle to keep it from rattling. thnx every body! i have taken this guitar to three dif music stores and nobody could help! i used silcone and it seems to have worked! but i acidently got the wrong guage strings anyway thnx u guys, if i ever have anymore probs i know were im comin first from now on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
townshend Posted February 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 OK so the problem was fix, but i has just came back in one of the strings, would replacing the part fix the problem? thnx all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setch Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 No need for silicone, nail varnish or replacement parts. Simply get a screwdriver, and press firmly down on the retainer wire between each screw. This will bend the wire so that it looks like a this: |ovovovovovo| I instead of this: |o-o-o-o-o-o| The vertical lines represent the ends of the bridge, the 'o's are the screws. The other characters represent the retainer wire. The 'v' shape is exagerated, but gives you the idea - you want a zig-zag shape, with the wire bending downwards between each screw. This will create enough down force on the screws to prevent rattling. Please excuse the ASCII art, the bridge won't really get longer after you fix the problem BTW, 'The guitar player repair guide' by Dan Erlwewine, p.71. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
townshend Posted February 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 (edited) No need for silicone, nail varnish or replacement parts. Simply get a screwdriver, and press firmly down on the retainer wire between each screw. This will bend the wire so that it looks like a this: |ovovovovovo| I instead of this: |o-o-o-o-o-o| The vertical lines represent the ends of the bridge, the 'o's are the screws. The other characters represent the retainer wire. The 'v' shape is exagerated, but gives you the idea - you want a zig-zag shape, with the wire bending downwards between each screw. This will create enough down force on the screws to prevent rattling. Please excuse the ASCII art, the bridge won't really get longer after you fix the problem BTW, 'The guitar player repair guide' by Dan Erlwewine, p.71. hmmm i have tried that but i cant seem to put enough pressure on it.... but ill give it another shot Edited February 18, 2006 by townshend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
townshend Posted March 11, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 ok i tried the thing with the screw driver and it has just seem to make it worse now more screws are lose somebody please help me! i have had an almost unplayable guitar for more than a year now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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