!!METAL MATT!! Posted October 17, 2006 Report Share Posted October 17, 2006 Ok i was just thinking that it may be kinda fun to try something like this--- take a pedal of some kind, take out the guts and build it i to a guitar EQ and all. just kinda farting around with the idea and Im not really sure if I would do it, but I kinda think it would be cool to talk about and see if and how it could work just something to talk about !!METAL MATT!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert_the_damned Posted October 17, 2006 Report Share Posted October 17, 2006 shouldn't be a problem at all....replace the footswitch with an toggle switch and maybe replace the board mounted pots with pots on leads and you're done! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logical Frank Posted October 17, 2006 Report Share Posted October 17, 2006 Hooglebug put a Fuzz Factory into his guitar: http://projectguitar.ibforums.com/index.php?showtopic=24811 In addition to what robert the damned mentioned, you will have to replace the output jack on your guitar w/ a stereo jack so you can make it so the battery doesn't drain when it's not plugged in. At some point, I'm gonna be building either a Big Muff or a Rat into this old guitar I have around and maybe squeeze a phase or delay in there as well. It will be nice to have the controls to my effects at my fingertips when I'm practicing on my couch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Marossy Posted October 17, 2006 Report Share Posted October 17, 2006 I just built a Maestro Boomerang wah clone into one of my electric guitars for a Frank Zappa kind of tone (well, as close as can be expected). I think it's pretty cool. Here's a few pictures. The last one is showing the wah control pot (no knob). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Sorbera Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 It's totally do-able. There are two reasons why you wouldn't want to. 1, it takes up alot of space in your guitar, 2, it's less convinent to flip a switch than step on something. but I say go for it. and post the results Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biliousfrog Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 I've got an MXR EQ built into one of my guitars complete with the sliders poking through the top & sounds awesome when flicked on. Also IMO it's often easier to flick the switch with your hand than with your foot...especially when you've got as many pedals as me on the floor...& you can turn it on/off anywhere on the stage....& if it works for Matt Belamy.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!!METAL MATT!! Posted October 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 it's less convinent to flip a switch than step on something. True so ive been thinking about what would be a better idea to add in there, im thinking about doing a delay or a death metal pedal something thats just added over top of things, if any thing it would be cool to have the built in control as a backup !!METAL MATT!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logical Frank Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 I would say the main disadvantage is that if you build it into the guitar, you can't use it w/ any of your other guitars. Personally, rather than buying a pedal and taking it apart, I would get something from buildyourownclone.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drak Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 Think of a typical signal chain with effects, you wouldn't want any echo, delay, chorus, or anything like that on board because they typically come at the end of the chain. Ask yourself what comes first (typically anyway) in a signal chain...EQ's, wahs, distortions, those would be the most likely effects to build into a guitar. Like my EMG pots, the EXG, RPC, and SPC, they're all basically just different EQ pots, so it always works no matter what the rest of the situation is. PS, be prepared to shield the CRAP out of it if you build it inside a guitar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Marossy Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 be prepared to shield the CRAP out of it if you build it inside a guitar. Good point. The guitar that my wah is in was completely shielded to begin with - pickup cavities and all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biliousfrog Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 I would say the main disadvantage is that if you build it into the guitar, you can't use it w/ any of your other guitars. That's true but if you're swapping guitars then it must be because they feel &/or sound different anyway so having a built in EQ, compressor or overdrive for example, is no different to having some meaty active pickups. I'm sure that a lot of people appreciate the difference between a Strat & a Les Paul without thinking that it's a disadvantage that playing one means that you can't sound like you're playing the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!!METAL MATT!! Posted October 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 Think of a typical signal chain with effects, you wouldn't want any echo, delay, chorus, or anything like that on board because they typically come at the end of the chain. Ask yourself what comes first (typically anyway) in a signal chain...EQ's, wahs, distortions, those would be the most likely effects to build into a guitar. Ok thanks Drak! I have a death metal pedal that I want to use. Now whats going to happen If I end up useing Active pickups? !!METAL MATT!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovekraft Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 Now whats going to happen If I end up useing Active pickups? You're gonna be changing batteries between sets! Worst case, you might have to add a trimmer pot to pad down the input to your pedal circuit. I doubt it'll be an issue with the DM, though. What are you gonna do about the dual outputs, use two jacks, or just 86 the Direct out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Marossy Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 Yeah, that will use up batteries quicker than if it were just active pickups... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The royal consort Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 Another solution is of course to use 2 batteries.... But at this rate your going to have carved so many holes into it its going to sound like a semi..... Hang on if my memory serves my well Faith No Mores first guitarist..... Jim somthing.... (oh well so much for my memory ) had 2 batterys in his Flying V due to the need for seperate amps on his pickups. (one SD livewire and one EMG 60) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biliousfrog Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 Big Jim Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzz Posted October 22, 2006 Report Share Posted October 22, 2006 FIRST POST!! in my opinion worthwhile effects to put in your guitar are things like pitchshifters and delays and the like because it gives you the advantage of changing the pitch/feedback or whatever it may be while you play which means you can add a bit of craziness to a riff or solo. things like overdrive are pointless on a guitar cos (as far as im concerned) you dont really change settings like overdrive during a song so it has limited use. anyway i wanna put a ring modulator in my guitar (cos i can get wierd sound by changing the oscillation while playing,this makes ring modulators much more useable than they would be on the floor.....ANYWAY) i came across a wiring diagram for one that doesnt need a battery online a few months ago and was intrigued but cant find it anymore. can someone help me out please? CHEERS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovekraft Posted October 22, 2006 Report Share Posted October 22, 2006 can someone help me out please? OK, here goes: Guitar pickups aren't strong enough to drive a passive diode ring modulator. Even if they were, you'd still have to have a carrier oscillator (which would have to be powered), so it's still useless for your purposes.Hey, if it was that easy, we'd all be Zachary Vex! Since you're just looking for "a bit of craziness", try a Green Ringer - it's a proven project, and a quick Google about should find you more info than you could ever have asked for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzz Posted October 22, 2006 Report Share Posted October 22, 2006 can someone help me out please? OK, here goes: Guitar pickups aren't strong enough to drive a passive diode ring modulator. Even if they were, you'd still have to have a carrier oscillator (which would have to be powered), so it's still useless for your purposes.Hey, if it was that easy, we'd all be Zachary Vex! Since you're just looking for "a bit of craziness", try a Green Ringer - it's a proven project, and a quick Google about should find you more info than you could ever have asked for. are you sure (you probably know more than me but said id ask anyway...) im certain i saw one that didnt need any power source except to light the led. i just want a simple enough ring circuit (volume, oscillator) thats easy to make and wire myself. ok so i need batterys......hmmmn.....is the green ringer or ring modulators in general heavy on batterys? Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovekraft Posted October 22, 2006 Report Share Posted October 22, 2006 Honestly, I don't know much about the circuit in practice - I played one back when it was new-ish, and wasn't knocked out, but I'm not a noiztoyz kinda guy, so don't take my word for it. JD knows all 'bout it, though: General Guitar Gadgets Green Ringer page If you want real synth balanced modulator sounds, try googling "AD633 ring modulator" or "MC1495 ring modulator" - both Maestro and Oberheim made ring mod pedals using the MC1495, but they're both gonna be a bit involved to implement as onboard effects. Finally, the NE567 PLL chip has been twisted into a pseudo-ring mod, using just the onboard oscillator and the phase comparator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzz Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 Honestly, I don't know much about the circuit in practice - I played one back when it was new-ish, and wasn't knocked out, but I'm not a noiztoyz kinda guy, so don't take my word for it. JD knows all 'bout it, though: General Guitar Gadgets Green Ringer page If you want real synth balanced modulator sounds, try googling "AD633 ring modulator" or "MC1495 ring modulator" - both Maestro and Oberheim made ring mod pedals using the MC1495, but they're both gonna be a bit involved to implement as onboard effects. Finally, the NE567 PLL chip has been twisted into a pseudo-ring mod, using just the onboard oscillator and the phase comparator. whoa whoa you just threw me into the deep end with your second paragraph....dont have a CLUE what you just said cheers for your help btw ill sus it out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Marossy Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 in my opinion worthwhile effects to put in your guitar are things like pitchshifters and delays and the like because it gives you the advantage of changing the pitch/feedback or whatever it may be while you play which means you can add a bit of craziness to a riff or solo. Not a bad idea. The only downside is that delay effects eat batteries pretty quickly... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregP Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 Nothing lets you "change while you play" better than a footpedal, as mentioned on page 1. Even the least obtrusive hand switch still requires a hand. While a stompbox requires your foot, an appendage not normally used during the actual playing of a guitar. Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert_the_damned Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 an appendage not normally used during the actual playing of a guitar. now THAT would be an impressive show move! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biliousfrog Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 an appendage not normally used during the actual playing of a guitar. now THAT would be an impressive show move! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIOYLMnTt0s&NR ...sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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