ibanez_crazy Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 (edited) Maybe I missed something while reading, but do you plan on using any reinforcement in the neck, such as carbon fiber rods? I would think 2 more strings might make adjusting your truss rod a bit harsh without extra support. Please correct me if Im wrong, but I think I read somewhere that your average 6 string tuned to 440 has between 180 and 240 pounds of pressure on the neck(depending on string guage, 30 to 40 per string) Im just curious, as I have now been bitten with the 8 string bug. Ideas Ideas Ideas.... Edited February 16, 2007 by ibanez_crazy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demiurge Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 (edited) I read on Jemsite (now this is the dealer's word and not the company officially) that the RG-8's release has been pushed back due to neck stability issues, and it doesn't sound like they used any secondary support like carbon (or titanium, for the RG550 reissues) rods, so I'm somewhat torn (as I'm building an 8, too) as to what to do as well. On the other hand, with a multi-lam neck with all that wenge and zebrano involved, it might just be stiff enough with just a truss rod.... maybe? Edited February 16, 2007 by Demiurge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 i was thinking about the use of two truss rods side by side....some extended range basses do this and it holds up well.plus it helps prevent twisting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 Maybe I missed something while reading, but do you plan on using any reinforcement in the neck, such as carbon fiber rods? I would think 2 more strings might make adjusting your truss rod a bit harsh without extra support. Please correct me if Im wrong, but I think I read somewhere that your average 6 string tuned to 440 has between 180 and 240 pounds of pressure on the neck(depending on string guage) Im just curious, as I have now been bitten with the 8 string bug. Ideas Ideas Ideas.... A 6-string guitar probably has 65-80 pounds of string tension overall. A 4-string bass has around 100-110. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGGR Posted February 16, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 Maybe I missed something while reading, but do you plan on using any reinforcement in the neck, such as carbon fiber rods? I would think 2 more strings might make adjusting your truss rod a bit harsh without extra support. Yeah, I read people using carbon fibre rods, double trussrods, and all that..... as they are worried about neck stability issues. I'm not sure what to think fo all that. I don't see how cutting an additional trussrod slot in the neck, would help stability. It would only weaken the neck, I think? In this build I will go for one bass type trussrod. (but have to measure that up exactly). With all the Wenge and Zebrano in the neck (both incrediable heavy and stable woods) I don't see the need for carbon fibre rods. I see Wenge as a "natural" Carbon fibre. Just a 5-7 piece lamination will already give neck so much more stability.... And Ibanez is having delivery issue with their 8s for completely different reasons. To begin with this guitar is on special order. It's not in your regular store. You have to see this Ibby 8 as a Chrome Boy or any other "special" model they have brought out. None of these "special" models - Chrome boy, JS PRM, the new Vai 20th......they all will have longer delivery dates.....as they are not produced in the normal Ibanez set-up. They need special tooling, set-ups, etc....... That simply causes delays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 I can't say if 2 truss-rods are required for an 8-string guitar neck, it's not freakishly wider. But I would definitely route out an additional 2 channels for carbon / steel rods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!!METAL MATT!! Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 But I would definitely route out an additional 2 channels for carbon / steel rods.I'm not sure what to think fo all that. I don't see how cutting an additional trussrod slot in the neck, would help stability. It would only weaken the neck, I think? Jeremy uses the carbon rods on all his 8 string Guitars, But he does build THIN maple necks even than he he told me that they really where not needed at all but he used them just to be safe I say try the rods and Play it safe, theres really nothing to them in size so the routs in the neck wount really hurt any thing where as routs for the trus rod might !!METAL MATT!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGGR Posted February 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 I say try the rods and Play it safe, theres really nothing to them in size so the routs in the neck wount really hurt any thing where as routs for the trus rod might. Not really looking forward to the epoxy mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!!METAL MATT!! Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 Not really looking forward to the epoxy mess. epoxy mess? I dont really rember there being that much epoxy, at least not enough to make a mess. It was really very easy to do !!METAL MATT!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted February 18, 2007 Report Share Posted February 18, 2007 (edited) Route the channels out a very small amount deeper, and a little wider so that the rods fit in snug, and not horribly tight. After you're get them routed right, place masking tape or paint tape over the routed channels and cut the channel area out with an Xacto blade. Get some epoxy on the edges of the carbon / steel rod and get it pushed in nicely. Once you have it down at the correct depth, go over the top of the rod with more epoxy to get it flush, then remove the tape. All the mess comes with the tape. Edited February 18, 2007 by Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGGR Posted February 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Bumped into this cool Ebony tree pic today. I never knew it looked like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!!METAL MATT!! Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 Any thing to report? !!METAL MATT!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PTU 7's. Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 Bumped into this cool Ebony tree pic today. I never knew it looked like that. hehehe, i know that pic RGGR (Roger?) any updates on the 8. Come on bro, you have to finish this one first Seeya! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGGR Posted March 31, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 (edited) With this one, you guys have to be bit more patient. My priority list looks like this: 1. JS-7 (still at painters) 2. Axxion 3. 540Pvii 4. RGT-7 QL RBB XL 5. RG-8 Fanned 6. RG-7 'Cocaine' 7. RG-7 'Darkside of the moon' 8. RG-7 J.Custom 'Bonnie Pink' 9. Maxxax MX-7 (still in planning stages) I did find a solution for my 8 stringer fanned bridge problem. And solving this problem is 80% of the battle in this build. Recently, from Dave from FretsOnTheNet.com I ordered a custom neck plate and a custom 7 string triple bucker pup ring. Quality is top notch, and based on the information I got from the Blackmachine website on the 884, I figure I can have Dave complete me a base plate for these graphite saddles. The bridge won't be grounded (using graphite saddles), but I figure I could achieve the grounding by also designing a custom metal string ferrule plate that will hold all 8 strings and connect a grounding wire to the metal piece and be done with it this way. I also have the uncut Ebony fretboard in the house, and bought a fretsaw, so i can get cracking on the most difficult part of the build. I will radius the FB using similar set-up Mattia showed some weeks ago. Although other projects take priority.....I will work on this one as I like, and will keep you guys updated, no worries. Edited March 31, 2007 by RGGR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PTU 7's. Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 RGGR nice idea on the radio. BTW i want to see the beast finished, and more the 7 stringga called "Cocaine". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGGR Posted April 21, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 Made quick stop at my local woodsupplier today. Browsing through the stocks I bumped into this great Wenge blank that would be perfect as a neck on the Zebrano/Wenge body. Doing an all Wenge neck always has been on my list.....so bumping into this blank will probable set things in motion. I didn't load it in my car yet.....as I have to do some more measurements. Thinking giving the Zebrano/Wenge body a Wenge/Zebrano neck will be a great combo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scab Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 you doin' a compound radius on your finger board? looks like the way ur doin' it is pretty tough. i just finess it on the belt sander then finish it off with a flat sanding block, randomly checking it's straightness with a straightedge.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prostheta Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 Made quick stop at my local woodsupplier today. Browsing through the stocks I bumped into this great Wenge blank that would be perfect as a neck on the Zebrano/Wenge body. Doing an all Wenge neck always has been on my list.....so bumping into this blank will probable set things in motion. I didn't load it in my car yet.....as I have to do some more measurements. Thinking giving the Zebrano/Wenge body a Wenge/Zebrano neck will be a great combo. As a combination it works really well, and gives a very solid tight low end tone. Very pleasing. Keep us updated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGGR Posted November 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 (edited) When are you going to wake your eight-string project? I was pretty stoked with that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I hear you...... Your Zebrano/Wenge project got me inspired again. Work and life is keeping me away from building lately. Project also got stalled as I could find right neck blank for this project. Recent trip to local wood supplier got that hurdle covered. Few days ago, I had Wenge neck blank cut at local Lowe's/Home Depot type store. They provided this service. Here is rough cut body, with Wenge/Zebrano laminate neck: Added the Ebony fretboard: Added the Fanned fret mock-up: Still lot of work to do. Zebrano Laminates have to be thinned down some. Neck blank has to be glue-ed up. Body has to be brought to spec........still have blob of wood on jack side......as haven't decided what type op jack configuration this puppy will have (JEM style, or regular RG). More later.... Edited November 25, 2007 by RGGR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prostheta Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 Good choice of getting this one back on the road....I like the idea of a custom base plate with graphite saddles.... Have you attempted a compound radius before? I don't have enough experience (or the balls) to try one and potentially write off a fingerboard, but I guess with the fanned frets a compound radius will make the end product that much sweeter. What a fun fretjob that will be eh? :-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGGR Posted November 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 (edited) This build really is one of those journey builds........some things I haven't figured out yet. I'm very happy with finding the wood to do a Wenge/Zebrano neck.....and mirror the body wood. But concerning the bridge and the fanned frets I still have lots of figuring out to do. It will have fanned frets and it will have a fanned bridge........but for now I'm gonna concentrate on getting the neck blank ready and figuring out this compound curve in the headstock. In headstock I will work with some Zrebrano/Wenge laminates......as I really like how it turned out in my 540Pvii neck. Edited November 25, 2007 by RGGR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prostheta Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 I love laminates in backstraps and headstock caps, pinstripes between neck and binding....where are you considering these? The Blackmachine headstock looks like it would be stronger if the scarfed headstock wood grain was aligned in the direction (or at least not straight) of the tuners....too much grain runout over the last three strings!! The headstock cap disguises this nicely of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGGR Posted November 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 (edited) Love the way you incorporate your pinstripe line in that neck of yours. Might steal that idea in future build. Think Zebrano on Blackmachine is just a veneer layer. Mearly just decorative...... Not sure how to I will incorporate the laminates in the headstock yet. Have different size pieces of Zebrano and Wenge in the house, incl veneer....so will work something out. First have to run mock-up/test piece of how that oddly scaped (angular) headstock will work out. Cause don't like Conklin's solutions of still having triangle of fretboard stick out behind the nut. And there are other cool compound options: http://www.dingwallguitars.com/images/img_...ockangle_lg.jpg Edited November 25, 2007 by RGGR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xanthus Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 Hey RGGR, I really like the look of the woods you picked out for this build. I'm a bit lost though, you're trying to put a compound angle on the... headstock? I must have missed something What benefit would that have on the build process? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prostheta Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 Hmm....I think I must have misread that initially too, Xanthus. I thought RGGR was going to pop a compound radius on the fretboard....but the headstock? Perhaps the headstock will be slightly twisted to meet the weird nut angle? I wouldn't call it compound, just geometrically perverse if so :-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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