Rudolph Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 (edited) Hi! Im building 7-string neck-thru guitar and Im planing to put Kahler 2327 tremolo in it. I dont have that yet but I would need dimensions for its locking nut. I tried to find those dimensions from everywhere but didnt manage to find them. If you could help it would be great. Edited April 1, 2008 by Rudolph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattia Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 Dude, seriously, buy the hardware, then draft your plans based on said hardware. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolph Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 I have bought the hardware but I havent got them yet. Im just in bit hurry to build this guitar so I need those dimensions as quick as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tubab0y Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 So wait a couple of days. It won't kill you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kramers Rule Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 Has anyone ever used a Kahler Trem w/ out the locking nut? I have a hard tail that I was thinking of converting w/ the flush mount trem, but I don't want to modify my neck to put a locking nut on. I already have locking tuners, so I am thinking that should be enough. What do you guys think... good idea or bad idea? I would appreciate any advice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti-Idiot Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 Has anyone ever used a Kahler Trem w/ out the locking nut? I have a hard tail that I was thinking of converting w/ the flush mount trem, but I don't want to modify my neck to put a locking nut on. I already have locking tuners, so I am thinking that should be enough. What do you guys think... good idea or bad idea? I would appreciate any advice! there was this dude on youtube (some german luthier) who used the 2300 with no locking nut, only locking tuners and graphite nut (graphtech) here's a quote from a guy who works for Neal Moser I do like using a Floyd locking nut because I think they work better but I know guys that don't use a locking nut at all, instead they use a graphite nut and locking tuners. I prefer the locking nut though. and other quote from a kahler user: If you have a Floyd locking nut, or a Kahler string lock you can still go out of tune if the nut sucks... the nut needs to be graphite or made from something high grade hope it can helps and let us know how's it goin (at least i wanna know everything bout kahlers till i can buy one) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyco Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 hey wammi, can I get a replacement for this locknut. It is on a 84 explorer with a factory kahler, the locknut sucks but I would rather not put any extra holes in my axe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pearl Posted June 6, 2008 Report Share Posted June 6, 2008 Really glad to find you here. We learn so many things from you. Thanks a lot !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mission 2 Posted August 9, 2008 Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 Most of you don't know me. Those that do,.. know me as John at Kahler Parts. I am the Parts, Service and Support head at Kahler USA. If anyone needs some Kahler questions answered I'll be glad to help you. Its my job. If you want to hear a Kahler live, or need some 1 on 1 help, I will be happy to call you on the phone or better yet...If your able, i can Skype or MSN messenger you with my PC video camera and give you a E-jam Lol. Privately email me at wammi@wammiusa.com I will arrange with you a private showing of the range and sound. If any of you out there are familiar with streaming live or videos that can be displayed on the web, please email me. I am unfamiliar in this territory but I am anxious to post lessons and demos of the sound, ranges and techniques ect. I need some expert video posting guidence here. Wammi J www.wammiusa.com (951) 541-2387 www.kahlerparts.com (760) 494-5969 Hey im planning to attatch a Hybrid 7300 bridge to an Epiphone G400 Custom, could u offer any advice or ideas on how 2 do this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psw Posted August 9, 2008 Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 (edited) Hi Wammi J... I have just completed my telecaster project with too many features to mention just yet...watch out for a thread and possibly a GOTM entry soon (I want to get some sounds out of it)...but here is a sneak peak of the kahler on it... I have been so impressed with it that I got a stud version for my next project. I tend to use it for a bit of bigsby like shimmer which it does really well and the hybrid model makes it so much easier to tune and restring. The design allows palm muting without risk of going sharp as a lot of floating trems are prone to do. Even though I don't use extreme bends that much, it does have the range of a floyd and comes back in tune every time. As for a locking nut, I don't like them myself but my next project will have to have one. On this guitar I fitted an LSR roller nut and staggered locking schaller/fender tuners and it works great. You need to have a straight string pull like a fender though for this to be effective, otherwise I think a locking nut is necessary. The unit comes complete with a pretty good one that wont lose the screws...always an important feature. Care needs to be taken with installation...there are some good tips in Dan Erlwines GP repair guide. An important one is that the front screw holes are not equally spaced. Apparently this is done on purpose to replace onto strats. It is important not to use these or the front of the unit to detirmine the centre line...use the template and mark accordingly. Make a woodn template to guide the router and drill out to the required depth most of the wood using the router to clean up in shallow passes. Take care to protect the finish! You also need a fair height on the saddles to get the pressure required on the rollers. I use 10-46 strings and I still find the high e sounds a little weaker than the others and it was resting on the screw behind the rollers even with the height shown in the pictures. Fortunately on a tele you can shim the neck a little, on a custom set neck you will be wanting to watch that. The stud version works fine though on an LP. These trems are not cheap but they are good and I have bought three now and the service from Wammi World has been great. I have seen quite a few on ebay often as much or more than new...so be careful. The hybrid thing is really worth having and I suspect over time the springs my stretch and bearings could wear so secondhand is possibly false economy too. The chrome work is second to none but I have not seen the black or gold ones so can not vouch for those. So very happy with these units and I hope these tips help a little and give a little confidence in the things... pete PS...these things work great with a sustainer as in use the bridge stays put so the strings don't rise as with a floating trem keeping them an equal distance from the pickups and driver for a completely consistent sound even with extreme bends. PPS...compared to a lot of bridges, they offer very good string definition (you hear every note clearly in a chord), something lacking in a lot of "cast" bridges. Edited August 9, 2008 by psw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted August 9, 2008 Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 You also need a fair height on the saddles to get the pressure required on the rollers. I use 10-46 strings and I still find the high e sounds a little weaker than the others and it was resting on the screw behind the rollers even with the height shown in the pictures. psw..I went to Ace hardware and bought replacement screws with a flat top,rather than the convex heads on the ones that come with the unit...these solved that problem.You can alsofind them in three colors...blacvk,silver,and brass...which come much closer to matcing the color of the trems...I prefer that to having black screws on a silver or gold trem... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psw Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 You also need a fair height on the saddles to get the pressure required on the rollers. I use 10-46 strings and I still find the high e sounds a little weaker than the others and it was resting on the screw behind the rollers even with the height shown in the pictures. psw..I went to Ace hardware and bought replacement screws with a flat top,rather than the convex heads on the ones that come with the unit...these solved that problem.You can alsofind them in three colors...blacvk,silver,and brass...which come much closer to matcing the color of the trems...I prefer that to having black screws on a silver or gold trem... Thanks...Being in Australia, I am not familiar with "Ace Hardware". Have you (or Wammi J) any idea what the size and thread for these screws are. I don't mind that the screws are black, but the slight domed thing is a bit of a fault. It can make a significant difference on the one string it is happening on and something that I would like to fix. I would also like to replace the Hybrid screw with some kind of finger friendly Allen bolt with a head on it, perhaps not on this model (a little close to the surface of the guitar) but on the stud version which might have more clearance. It would be great to be able to lock the bridge without tools. Besides string changing, if you want to change tuning, it might be good to be able to easily lock it and so drop the D string say without all the others going out or you want to do any radical double stop bends or what have you...even breaking a string with a floating trem is going to put the whole guitar out and the locking feature would fix all that, is on there, but not easily accessible. Just a thought! pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam Posted September 6, 2008 Report Share Posted September 6, 2008 hey i have 2 questions... 1. On the new hybrid Kahlers how much routing is needed. is it rear routed like fender strats? or just top routed a little bit? 2. Also because the whammy/ tremolo bar comes up between the E and B string. When you do divebombs etc does the bar touch the strings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted September 6, 2008 Report Share Posted September 6, 2008 The bar never touches the strings,and the rout is on the top only,and is 1" deep... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicoyabe Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 (edited) Hello I have a custom (handmade) guitar with fixed bridge and I would like to have a tremolo on it I'm not quite sure which one I need so here is my specs: - tune-o-matic bridge - flat top - neck angle - stratocaster headstock - individual string spacing : 0,410 " - e to E string spacing: 2,02 " Basically it's almost a LP style guitar but with a flat top surface so I don't know if have to choose a 2200 / 7200 serie to use my t-o-m studs but my body is not ached or the 2300 /7300 series for flat top but I won't be able to use the studs. Help me i'd say the 2200/7200, since u already have the holes for the posts. but first check your neck angle, if you have a typical Les-Paul neck angle, then go with the X200. if your geetar is flat-top and have almost no neck angle (sorta Tele or Strato), then go with the X300.If you go with the X300, u'll have to cover those nasty holes where tune-o-matics used to be. Go with the X200. (is only my advice) I'm still hesitating between a 7200 or a 7300 kahler, on the website it says that it's only 50% chance that my existing studs are at the good position to install the 7200. If not I'll have to make new holes and relocate the studs to install the trem... If it's the case then I'd rather go for the 7300 directly... My body was pre-drilled by warmoth (scale 25 1/2, flat top and t-o-m) and here are the measurements of the bridge: (maybe wammi wil be able to tell me if it's going to work with the 7200?) thanks Edited November 26, 2008 by nicoyabe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iSoto Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 (edited) Hey guys! I am planning my next guitar project (a Meanie Green style guitar) and I want to put in either a Kahler Spyder or a Kahler Killer. I have the option to get the body with a recessed Floyd Rose bridge route (of course with the Lion's Claw, with or without the holes for the posts). Will the bridges mentioned above fit the FR route (I will drill the posts myself) or will I have to get the body with no bridge routing or with a hardtail and then try to figure out how to route the bridge cavity myself? Also, these bridges need the Kahler SD Locking Nuts or some other locking nut? Thanks in advance! Edited November 29, 2008 by iSoto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Buttman Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 Hello. I'm building the guitar where i gonna use Kahler 2300 series tremolo. (image) But i'll get it only in July and need couple of dimensions now: 1. Minimal saddle height 2. Saddle height adjustment range I appreciate if somebody can measure . Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikke Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 +Does the kahler spyder lock the strings to the trem like in floyds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psw Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 I'm working on my new guitar, an LP with Kahler, and was able to track down a thumb screw of the right thread (thanks to wammi world for the size...6/32) to replace the allen bolt grub screw that normally locs the kahler... Likely it would only work on the stud type as you need a little clearance at the back there, but works a treat, just ground down a little on the end, a few turns and it's locked solid and in tune... Great should you break a string or need a fixed bridge for say altered tunings...which is why i need this solution... Looks like it was made for it...the pic shows the bridge "unlocked", so in trem mode...the screw goes almost all the way in to be locked solid. Thanks Wammi J for the tread size... pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert_the_damned Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 Hi there, I was wondering if anyone here knows the minimum spacing between front and rear posts that one of the T-o-M replacement bridges will fit? I'm contemplating fitting one to an Ibanez guitar I have that has the tail piece mounted really close to the bridge (about 38mm) and I know the recommended distance is larger than this but the kahlers have some amount of adjustment? I tried emailing Kahler directly and got no reply unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prostheta Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 I don't think you'll get a reply from this user any more as the domain is no longer valid, and therefore they won't pick up any new reply notifications. I'm surprised that Kahler haven't responded to your query. Westhemann and Demonx are pretty hot on Kahlers though. They can probably help somehow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demonx Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 Can't help sorry, I've always used the flat mount versions. I tend to steer clear of TOMs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 I also use the flatmount version,but I did find this pic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 Also this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 And this is the site to contact,not Kahler USA http://www.wammiworld.com/Installation.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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