Chris H Posted November 13, 2007 Report Posted November 13, 2007 Hi Guys, Has anybody got experience of using a preval system to shoot StewMac's Waterbased Colortone lacquer? I don't have the room (or funds) to afford a spray system and as I'm only intending to spray 1-2 guitars max I'd rather use something like Preval. Looking on Stew Mac's site for the Preval they don't recommend using it to spray the Waterbased lacquer. Any thoughts on this? Cheers Chris Quote
westhemann Posted November 13, 2007 Report Posted November 13, 2007 I used preval to spray sherwinn williams 2 part,but that's it.I can't see why they would not want you to use it...that is a strange one. Keep in mind though that it took me about a dozen of those units to spray my set neck exploder...It was a thick finish,but by the time you finish two guitars with preval,I think you could have bought a spray gun setup. Quote
Chris H Posted November 13, 2007 Author Report Posted November 13, 2007 Thanks I'm doing a Mary Kaye style white blonde and I'm using wipe-on poly for the top coats. I'm going to use Preval for the sanding sealer and 2 coats of the Mary Kaye white. Quote
mikhailgtrski Posted November 13, 2007 Report Posted November 13, 2007 It could be that you'd have to thin the waterbase lacquer too much to get it to spray properly... just a guess. I've only used a PreVal to spray shellac sealcoats, and it didn't atomize very well, even with a 1 or 2 pound cut. Quote
Maiden69 Posted November 13, 2007 Report Posted November 13, 2007 My last bass and the SC I did with the preval, but I used behlens nitro. not as good as a spray can, but good enough to get a decent finish. I needed to do minimal sanding after it cured. Quote
westhemann Posted November 13, 2007 Report Posted November 13, 2007 hmmm...I found the preval to spray better than rattlecan... I guess the consistency of the paint makes a big difference. Quote
Maiden69 Posted November 13, 2007 Report Posted November 13, 2007 I like the fan spray pattern on good rattle cans. And the preval shoots in a circle pattern that is very narrow for my liking. Quote
ihocky2 Posted November 13, 2007 Report Posted November 13, 2007 On my original attempt at the Warbird I used a Preval so I could mix my own toner coat of lacquer and have to say that I was not very happy with it. Like Maiden said, I like the nice fan pattern I got with the cans of Deft Nitro, or even some others I have tested in the past. The Preval didn't atomize very well for me, and took quite a bit to get even coats. I used to it lay down one or two coats to finish up my spraying for one night and it seemed to take quite a bit extra to get a nice wet coat. If you are looking to mix your own colors and only need a few coats, they work nice. But I would rather spend the money on a spray setup. Which, incidently, I am doing this week. Quote
Chris H Posted November 13, 2007 Author Report Posted November 13, 2007 On my original attempt at the Warbird I used a Preval so I could mix my own toner coat of lacquer and have to say that I was not very happy with it. Like Maiden said, I like the nice fan pattern I got with the cans of Deft Nitro, or even some others I have tested in the past. The Preval didn't atomize very well for me, and took quite a bit to get even coats. I used to it lay down one or two coats to finish up my spraying for one night and it seemed to take quite a bit extra to get a nice wet coat. If you are looking to mix your own colors and only need a few coats, they work nice. But I would rather spend the money on a spray setup. Which, incidently, I am doing this week. It's not going to be until the spring before I will be able to spray so I am thinking of putting the pennies aside and going for spray setup. I'm thinking of getting this one: Quote
Daniel Sorbera Posted November 14, 2007 Report Posted November 14, 2007 When I tested out the stewmac waterbased stuff I had to thin it considerably to get it to spray out of my SATA minijet well. I'm guessing it wouldn't fare well out of the preval unit. Quote
Mattia Posted November 14, 2007 Report Posted November 14, 2007 When I tested out the stewmac waterbased stuff I had to thin it considerably to get it to spray out of my SATA minijet well. I'm guessing it wouldn't fare well out of the preval unit. Eh? I've finished 3 guitars with their latest waterbased stuff (Target USL), and I shot it either straight out the can, or thinned by maybe 5% with distilled water. Levelled out perfectly fine with my MiniJet, 1.0mm regular tip. Quote
Maiden69 Posted November 14, 2007 Report Posted November 14, 2007 How is it compared with the nitro? durability, drying time??? If it is close to or better I might be switching soon... Quote
Mattia Posted November 14, 2007 Report Posted November 14, 2007 None of the waterbased finishes are perfect, but then, neither is nitro. It's a touch softer than most nitro, doesn't wet out like nitro does (use shellac sealer and it's not an issue), can have a blue-ish tinge (never noticed myself), and has its own sort of learning curve. Personally, I've decided to switch over to Rustin's Plastic coating for the next few, see how I like that. Bit tougher, catalyzed finish, fewer coats needed, easily available over here. Quote
Maiden69 Posted November 14, 2007 Report Posted November 14, 2007 (edited) I have used 2K finishes with excellent results on my bike plastics with no experience with them before and I like the finish I get with them, not to mention the ability to put it together almost the next day! The problem I have is that there is no paint booth here and I can't make one as long as I'm in the Army, because of weight restrictions... not to mention if I get caught painting on base and health issues. So I think I will stick with nitro for now... Edited November 14, 2007 by Maiden69 Quote
Mattia Posted November 15, 2007 Report Posted November 15, 2007 ...I'm not entirely sure Nitro is all that much safer than most 2Ks. Tuolene (lacquer thinner) is a nasty carcinogen. Quote
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