Metallion Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 What if one were to do a tuner of wood like on a Cello or a Flamenco guitar, how do you do to prevent it from turning/reversing out of tune and still slide well enough for tuning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doug Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 They need to be installed sideways so they can grip in two places along the shaft. The peg holes must be reamed to fit the finished taper of the peg. You will have to use that peg shaper tool to match the reamer taper. Just like on a violin, the pegs get loosened a bit for tuning then pushed in to keep them there. Not sure why you want avoid modern the technology new tuners offer. It certainly is a time tested method so there's no reason to doubt it will work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan316 Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 This gives me an idea... I wanna make tuners that look like great big hex bolts. Rusty, nasty, uuuugly, METAL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattia Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 They need to be installed sideways so they can grip in two places along the shaft. The peg holes must be reamed to fit the finished taper of the peg. You will have to use that peg shaper tool to match the reamer taper. Just like on a violin, the pegs get loosened a bit for tuning then pushed in to keep them there. Not sure why you want avoid modern the technology new tuners offer. It certainly is a time tested method so there's no reason to doubt it will work. Uh, no, they really, really don't. Look at any number of baroque or romantic small guitars, or any modern flamenco, and you'll see friction fit pegs in solid headstocks. You need a tapered reamer to match the peg to the wood, and preferably a fairly tough, solid wooden peg (boxwood, ebony) slotting into a slightly softer wood that helps bind it in place. This works reasonably well for gut or nylon strings (lower tension application), but if you want modern tuning stability with higher tension steel strings, just use traditional tuners, like doug says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TemjinStrife Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 I have played cello for 14 years. Friction tuners are a *****. If I could easily change them for the geared type on my cello, I would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpm99 Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 I have played cello for 14 years. Friction tuners are a *****. If I could easily change them for the geared type on my cello, I would. Dude, you should build a cello. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anderekel Posted July 5, 2008 Report Share Posted July 5, 2008 I have played cello for 14 years. Friction tuners are a *****. If I could easily change them for the geared type on my cello, I would. Dude, you should build a cello. That's exactly what I was thinkin' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan316 Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 A flying V cello. You know you want to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akvguitars Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 (edited) With a floyd rose! Edited July 7, 2008 by akvguitars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aidlook Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 They need to be installed sideways so they can grip in two places along the shaft. The peg holes must be reamed to fit the finished taper of the peg. You will have to use that peg shaper tool to match the reamer taper. Just like on a violin, the pegs get loosened a bit for tuning then pushed in to keep them there. Not sure why you want avoid modern the technology new tuners offer. It certainly is a time tested method so there's no reason to doubt it will work. Uh, no, they really, really don't. Look at any number of baroque or romantic small guitars, or any modern flamenco, and you'll see friction fit pegs in solid headstocks. You need a tapered reamer to match the peg to the wood, and preferably a fairly tough, solid wooden peg (boxwood, ebony) slotting into a slightly softer wood that helps bind it in place. This works reasonably well for gut or nylon strings (lower tension application), but if you want modern tuning stability with higher tension steel strings, just use traditional tuners, like doug says. How come Nylon strings are lower tension? Nylon strings are usually a bit thicker, wich to me spontaneously makes it seems like it would need higher tension for the same pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maiden69 Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 Sorry but flamenco guitars don't use those pegs, they use mechanical tuners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpm99 Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 With a floyd rose! You could work the trem with your left leg too! Women would fall at your feet for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borge Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 They need to be installed sideways so they can grip in two places along the shaft. The peg holes must be reamed to fit the finished taper of the peg. You will have to use that peg shaper tool to match the reamer taper. Just like on a violin, the pegs get loosened a bit for tuning then pushed in to keep them there. Not sure why you want avoid modern the technology new tuners offer. It certainly is a time tested method so there's no reason to doubt it will work. Uh, no, they really, really don't. Look at any number of baroque or romantic small guitars, or any modern flamenco, and you'll see friction fit pegs in solid headstocks. You need a tapered reamer to match the peg to the wood, and preferably a fairly tough, solid wooden peg (boxwood, ebony) slotting into a slightly softer wood that helps bind it in place. This works reasonably well for gut or nylon strings (lower tension application), but if you want modern tuning stability with higher tension steel strings, just use traditional tuners, like doug says. How come Nylon strings are lower tension? Nylon strings are usually a bit thicker, wich to me spontaneously makes it seems like it would need higher tension for the same pitch. lower mass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattia Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 Sorry but flamenco guitars don't use those pegs, they use mechanical tuners. Modern ones do. Traditional ones do not. Google image search for 'flamenco tuning peg' for images. Re: nylon, they're nylon (= plastic) cores or entire strings, which requires less tension to tune up than steel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maiden69 Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 Sorry but flamenco guitars don't use those pegs, they use mechanical tuners. Modern ones do. Traditional ones do not. Google image search for 'flamenco tuning peg' for images. Re: nylon, they're nylon (= plastic) cores or entire strings, which requires less tension to tune up than steel. I just googled it, first time I seen them in my life, and in PR you can hardly find a steel string, all the acoustic guitars sold are flamenco style. I wouldn't mess with those things even if they were the only ones available in the market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TemjinStrife Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 A flying V cello. You know you want to. http://www.woodviolins.com/html/CobraCello.html I really want to get a decent solidbody cello one of these days, but I don't trust my luthier skills enough to actually build one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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