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Hello,

I am about to apply a finish on my guitar, hopefully this upcoming weekend. However,

I am not entirely sure hot to go about it. Its a les paul style guitar, and I would like to do a burst finish.

On the back and neck I am planning on sanding to 400 grit, then staining twice with Minwax red mahogany

stain. I believe it is oil based, but i dont know.

http://www.epaintstore.com/xcart4/product....at=0&page=5

On the front I am going to sand to 400, then stain using water based analine dies. First, I will stain the guitar

black, let it dry and sand it off to try and bring out more flame. Then I will dye it with amber, then red and black towards the edges.

http://www.lmii.com/CartTwo/thirdproducts....s+Water+Soluble

After that I am going to use Minwax spray on Plyurethane. Again I believe its oil-based, but i dont know for sure.

Anybody have experience with this stuff?

http://www.acehardwaresuperstore.com/minwa...388.html?ref=42

My question ultimately is should i use a wood filler for the mahogany back insteadof stain? If so, what type, and where can

I get it?

Any opinions or advice would be most welcome :D

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Here is a link to a topic on Minwax. I followed Southpa's advice and got good results.

http://projectguitar.ibforums.com/index.ph...l=minwax+granpa

:D

I left out some info that he gave me. He coats one side at a time and does not hang the guitar. He leaves the guitar horizontal and level. I used a piece of wood that I screwed into the neck pocket using the four holes in the neck cavity. I clamped this handle into a vice to hold the guitar level. Make sure the minwax spray is warm not cold or hot and don't rush between coats.

Tony...

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Here is a link to a topic on Minwax. I followed Southpa's advice and got good results.

http://projectguitar.ibforums.com/index.ph...l=minwax+granpa

:D

I left out some info that he gave me. He coats one side at a time and does not hang the guitar. He leaves the guitar horizontal and level. I used a piece of wood that I screwed into the neck pocket using the four holes in the neck cavity. I clamped this handle into a vice to hold the guitar level. Make sure the minwax spray is warm not cold or hot and don't rush between coats.

Tony...

thanks tony,

i appreciate your advice. Does anybody know if water based analine dyes will be ok with Minwax? or whether or not i should fill the mahogany?

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Here is a link to a topic on Minwax. I followed Southpa's advice and got good results.

http://projectguitar.ibforums.com/index.ph...l=minwax+granpa

:D

I left out some info that he gave me. He coats one side at a time and does not hang the guitar. He leaves the guitar horizontal and level. I used a piece of wood that I screwed into the neck pocket using the four holes in the neck cavity. I clamped this handle into a vice to hold the guitar level. Make sure the minwax spray is warm not cold or hot and don't rush between coats.

Tony...

thanks tony,

i appreciate your advice. Does anybody know if water based analine dyes will be ok with Minwax? or whether or not i should fill the mahogany?

Yes they work. Thats what I used on my Strat that I assembled from parts. The nice thing about water based analine dyes is that you use bleach to remove them if something goes wrong. I think most people here fill mahogany but I'm not really qualified to give any advice on the methods. Try doing a keyword search, mahogany or grain fill and see what comes up..

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You can put the poly over top of most anything, ' stay away from lacquer tho. The poly requires a mechanical bond between coating sessions. I'll shoot about 3 coats within an hour, let it dry for 3 or 4 days then scuff ...carefully, with 600 or 800 grit then repeat the process until I have enough of a buildup to wetsand... if that becomes necessary.

If you want a smooth glossy finish you should grainfill mahogany. Its not an easy job, as a matter of fact its very hard work and a royal pain in the ass, no foolin! :D I've had mixed results with various materials. You'll have to experiment with materials and methods for yourself.

Filler options:

CA glue

Mahogany tinted paste from hardware store

Clear water-based filler from Stewmac

Fill with your clearcoat from the beginning.

I had the best success with the tinted paste. Method of application was with the fingers and I just rubbed it HARD into the grain. Let it dry thoroughly (next day) and then gently sand the excess away until the wood grain shows through. A proper job required 3 to 4 applications.

The Stewmac grain filler was the worst, I don't know, maybe that was when this whole grainfilling thing was new to me. They said to "scree" it into the grain with a plastic scraper (or credit card) at a 45 deg. angle. I couldn't seem to get enough of it worked deep enough into the grain with this method. The result was a surface film that ended up getting sanded away quickly. I guess I needed to really soak the wood more.

When grain filling with CA glue you are taking your life into your hands. :D It will burn your eyes and nose, very obnoxious stuff.

I filled my first mahogany guitar with 3 cans of Minwax poly. If you want to go that route then prepare for the long haul. Nuf said. Give it 3 years and your finish will invariably shrink back and your grain surface pattern will pop up everywhere. Fix it by scuffing again and shooting more poly.

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When grain filling with CA glue you are taking your life into your hands. :D It will burn your eyes and nose, very obnoxious stuff.

It's certainly nasty stuff to work with, but it fills up the pores of it's own accord and a little goes a LONG way if you work with it quickly enough. If you want to make it a hundred times worse, try cutting it with acetone. :sick.gif

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i did the same finishin setup on my Aria Pro II 1979 standard les paul when i refinished it. the stain is SEXY.... but the polyu will yellow big time. and it's kinda lacking grain wise.... but hey i really gotta check this CA grain filling thing !!!!!! sounds very tempting but i gotta be UBER fast!!!!

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