fidgec94 Posted December 16, 2003 Report Share Posted December 16, 2003 I think i read somewhere that Gibsons have angles neck to achieve the correct string tension. Is this due to the type of bridge or the fact that the LP's for example, have a carved top? I think i also read that fenders have zero neck angle(?) Can you build a bolt-on with a tune-o-matic bridge with a neck parallel to the body and not have any string tension problems? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveq Posted December 16, 2003 Report Share Posted December 16, 2003 I don't think it has anything to do with the tension - just the bridge height. You may need to recess the bridge to do what you are asking. If you have the dimensions of everything, draw a side view drawing of the guitar and you will be able to see what angle (if any) will be needed. The angles are there to prevent the need for having the pickups/neck mounted high off the body when using a tall bridge. Recessed bridges like the Floyds don't usually need an angle. For a hard tail - you need to use the dimensions of it to figure out what angle will be needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ovation22 Posted December 16, 2003 Report Share Posted December 16, 2003 Check out the stop tail on a Wolfgang, if you're interested in a stop tail with little or 0 angle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Page_Master Posted December 16, 2003 Report Share Posted December 16, 2003 hi everyone i am building a bolt-on baritone w/ a neck to body connection angle of 2 degree w/ tune-o-matic bridge and an angled headstock of 13 degrees. from my research, i should not get any neck tension problems. [i have seen many guitars with this set up] does anyone have any objections? Page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fidgec94 Posted December 16, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2003 Page, how are you going to achieve the angle? I think i threw my protractor out a long time ago Does the angled headstock help (like angling the neck does), or is that part asthetic? I am slowly gathering info for my 1st project...i think that simple is the way forward and i think a hardtail would certainly be a good idea. I like the look of tune-o-matics, but wanted to avoid more complicated stuff like neck angles. Your project sounds cool, pictures would be nice when possible! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveq Posted December 16, 2003 Report Share Posted December 16, 2003 The angled headstock would not be a factor. To understand why a neck angle is needed, sketch a side view of a guitar. Draw the bridge with an exagerated height. Now connect the bridge with the nut on the neck (to simulate the strings). See the angle? There will be a large gap above the higher frets. To eliminate this, most people use a "neck angle" which means the entire neck is angled back toward the players body. The angle should match (roughly) with the angle of that line you just sketched. If you re-draw the side view this way, you should see what I mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Page_Master Posted December 16, 2003 Report Share Posted December 16, 2003 yeah dude, i have been studying and drawing this stuff on paper and cad for months. i would like to show you pictures of my project, but it is going very slowly at the moment. [did i mention i have little or no wood working skills at all, i am just good with my hands. ] i have only cut out the body and i don't have a digital camera or a scanner. i will sort this out when i have time. but i should have a website running in 2-3 months. but i am not going anywhere so sorry, you have to wait. Page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fidgec94 Posted December 16, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2003 I havent drawn it on paper yet but in my head i can see what you're talking about, i guess the action would be supidly high if the neck wasnt angled or bridge not recessed. No worries Page, as long as theres pictures eventually, im satisfied Btw, ditto on the wood working skills, i can operate tools and stuff but i dont think i quite count as a luthier yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strummer2k Posted December 16, 2003 Report Share Posted December 16, 2003 To add to what daveq said, some people feel the angled headstock gives creates a better break angle over the nut which helps in things like sustain etc. There has to be some angle there. Fender often uses string trees on the ligther strings while Gibson uses (I think) a 13 degree break for the entire headstock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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rhoads56 Posted December 16, 2003 Report Share Posted December 16, 2003 Draw the body side on, inc the carved top if applicable. This is A MUST. If you cant do this, pack up your tools, and go home. Start with the body, and include the carved top if required. Draw in the "thickness" of the fret board and frets at the body/neck joint. Draw in the actual hardware (bridge), and mark a dot above the fretboard (neck join) to allow for the action of the strings. Simply join the dots (bridge and action at neck), and continue the line outwards. Measure your scale length, draw the nut, mark the action at the nut, draw in your fretboard (nut to neck join dots). You now have a neck angle to work with. Doesnt matter what angle it is, as long as youve drawn it out. Make sure you allow for bridge adjustment (up and down, forwards and backwards). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fidgec94 Posted December 17, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2003 im trying to work out how you get your neck amngled, i can come with three ideas a)neck pocket shims B)a jig for a router to angle the neck pocket c)angle to neck itself Edit: cant get a 'b' with a bracket without getting that smily! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted December 17, 2003 Report Share Posted December 17, 2003 use a space between the letter and the bracket....or use this : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveq Posted December 17, 2003 Report Share Posted December 17, 2003 I think it is more common to use a jig when routing the neck pocket than it is to put the angle on the neck piece itself. If you did it on the neck, I think you would still need to use a jig to try to keep everything level from side - to - side. It just seems easier to do it over the body than over a smaller piece of wood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Page_Master Posted December 17, 2003 Report Share Posted December 17, 2003 oh ****, don't you hate that. i just wrote a really long message in the fast reply box, then i accidently pressed the add reply icon above the fast reply box instead of the add reply below the fast reply box. i am nowhere near up to the stage of building the neck joint. preperation and research is the key to building perfection. thanx for the example rhoads, it really helps. i will only need a slight angle of 2 degrees to get the effect of rhoads example, because it is a flat top. neck angles are mostly associated with set neck guitars with tune-o-matics. but mine is going to be bolt-on. i am going to create the angle on the neck, not on the neck cavity. so the neck cavity has to be as straight as humanly possible. it is done this way on set necks too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fidgec94 Posted December 17, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2003 i am nowhere near up to the stage of building the neck joint. preperation and research is the key to building perfection. Thats a good ethos(sp?), i cant afford guitar building right now but im slowly planning what i wanna do. I think if it were me, i'd do the angle in the neck pocket....neck building and modding scares me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveq Posted December 17, 2003 Report Share Posted December 17, 2003 Well, I know of at least one company that does it using the neck pocket - Ibanez. If you look at the drawing for the JEM (on jemsite.com), you can see a slight angle in the neck pocket. I don't know why they chose to angle the pocket instead of the neck itself, but maybe it's so you can interchange necks more easily? Maybe due to their factory tooling? Anyway, fidgec94, I hope it turns out well for you. I'd be interested in hearing from some of the neck angle experts on this site as to how they do it. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strummer2k Posted December 17, 2003 Report Share Posted December 17, 2003 Yeah, Warmoth and USACG also angle the neck pockets instead of the neck when needed for the TOM or Gotoh 510 bridges. For their businesses, they don't want to incur the cost of designing and supporting angled necks. And as daveq already mentioned, swapping out different necks becomess much easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhoads56 Posted December 17, 2003 Report Share Posted December 17, 2003 angle the neck pocket, best way to go. angling the neck pocket is easily done buy simply shimming the jig/template used to shape the pocket. Angling the neck means that you have to cut the neck flat, and THEN angle it. Seems like double handling to me. Not only that, but there is more material required (the angle bit of the neck), which might mean you need to purchase the next size up material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StratDudeDan Posted April 6, 2004 Report Share Posted April 6, 2004 i'm planning on using a parallel neck on the SG i'm building with a recessed bridge. i'm way under-ability to do a carved to, heck, even to angle a neck pocket, and this seems so much easier as well as "different" and "cool." i'll let y'all know how it's going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dachuck Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 I had a frind who had a problem puting his Ibanez on to a new body because the new body was straight took him forever to figuer it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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