pan_kara Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Does anybody have an idea what technique way used here? They call it "antique black oil finish" - whatever they mean by that... maybe dark brown stain -> sand back slightly (and unevenly) -> oil any ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiKro Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 Looks more like they torched it or baked it until golden brown, sanded back then stained and sanded. Heat lamps can be used for the baking process. just my0.02cents. mk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwedishLuthier Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 Exactly my though, som sand back method. Look at the volute or around the edges and you see much brighter wood. What could be expected when sanding a bit un-even on a dark stained (or torched) surface Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pan_kara Posted February 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 Thank guys! What do you mean by "torching" or heat lamps? Not familiar with heat-based ways of coloring wood.. :/ Its not a heat gun or something like that, right? Wouldn't too much heat screw up all the glue joints? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwedishLuthier Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 The heat is applied for a very short period of time so the glue counts will probably not be affected. This is an example. Different wood scorches in different ways. A wider nossel spreds the heat more evenly and giva a smoother result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pan_kara Posted February 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 aah I get it now. Thanks a lot! I need to get a propane torch and burn some scrap.. I love the effect they got on that bass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottR Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 Judging by the way the "curly" figuring looks, I'd say this is more a case of heavily applied dye that has been strategically rubbed or sanded back and then finished with oil. Perhaps an oil based dye was used to tint the oil as well. I have successfully used transtint to color Danish oil. It takes a bit of mixing, to get it dispersed and it takes about a week to dry. At that point you can rub back the oil and take some of the color with it similar to your example and then recoat with oil and cure normally. At least that's how it worked for me. SR 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pan_kara Posted February 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 I was wondering how a flame figure would respond to burning. hmm... they do call it "black oil finish" after all.. it so happens that I used up 250ml of Danish oil on necks and fingerboards (and bodies to some extent) of my first three builds and got 500ml this time, but since I managed to get hold of tru-oil I completely switched to that for necks and some bodies. Now I use danish oil almost only on fingerboards so this would give some potential use to the huge can I'm left with.. and I did equip myself with some colortone dyes recently also. hmmm.... ok. I need more scrap then... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RestorationAD Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 +1 Scott. I am betting the dye was applied and sanded back before the Danish Oil was applied. I have done this on guitars with transtint in water and I have done similar things with furniture using an oil based dye. Very messy procedure... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 It looks like my first guitar finishing project.I took a Schecter,removed the finish,and stained it with "mahogany" stain(the guitar was basswood) then wiped on Minwax Poly.It was extremely uneven and ugly,like that one.I gave it away.Soaked in more at the endgrain than the top. After that I learned it took more to create an even stain than merely brushing it on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bjorn.LaSanche Posted November 30, 2014 Report Share Posted November 30, 2014 I liked that idea with the torch SwedishLuthier thank you for sharing. Pan_Kara do you think that this may be closer to the technique used on that bass, just done a little more extreme? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epXzTe7vJng#t=102 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pan_kara Posted December 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2014 hmm this looks more like the "color in pores" that some people do (Mayones also finish their guitars like that, I think the "gothic" series plus some others). I'm not sure what combination of torching - staining - tinted oil might have been used here, havent had time to try myself yes, but it is there on my todo list for future projects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Ross Posted December 1, 2014 Report Share Posted December 1, 2014 Looks like the dye black, sand back method first, then a mixture of some TransTint mahogany and maybe cordovan or dark walnut, then distress it. Just pick up a bunch of dyes and experiment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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