Southpa Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 Perhaps that can be avoided by using a UV resistant clearcoat over top of the dye/stain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 Perhaps that can be avoided by using a UV resistant clearcoat over top of the dye/stain. doesn't that negate the cost cutting effect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devon Headen Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 Okay...pic of the Strat color here. Not the greatest pic ever taken I'll put a thread up for this in the "in progress section in a few minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnJohn Posted March 29, 2004 Report Share Posted March 29, 2004 Would this technique make a good even transparent black? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Litchfield Custom Gutars Posted March 29, 2004 Report Share Posted March 29, 2004 Sure, but exactly where are you finding black food coloring? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren wilson Posted March 29, 2004 Report Share Posted March 29, 2004 Just about anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nsherman2006 Posted March 29, 2004 Report Share Posted March 29, 2004 could you do this with satin polycrilic and get a satin finish? Im looking to do a burnt stained red rg550 and was wondering if i could just tint the satin polycrilic and put on a couple coats using only the tinted polycrilic as both a base layer and protective coat. Should i just get some bright red stain and put polycrilic over that? I want the same sort of satin/matte finish like on the jem7bsb, but i want it to be red. Also, with the food coloring, i could make it just the shade i want. Should i just tint some polycrilic red, stain with that, and put some untinted polycrilic over that? Thanks for your help. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maher Posted March 29, 2004 Report Share Posted March 29, 2004 i know ill proberly sound retatded but hey..... i want to buy a saga PRS kit and want a blue finish like this... could i just stain the guitar blue with food colouring then spray a clear finish on it? http://store.yahoo.com/reranchstore/nitclearcoat.html i bet i sound like a dunbass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Litchfield Custom Gutars Posted March 29, 2004 Report Share Posted March 29, 2004 No you dont sound like a dumbass. The color wont be exact, but with one can of minwax and 8 bottles of blue, you should be quite satisfied. Quite the valid question. Without staining black, the figure wont be as strong, but for a first, you'll be very pleased. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nsherman2006 Posted March 29, 2004 Report Share Posted March 29, 2004 Litchfield Custom.....got any opinion on my post....above his prs? Thanks. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Litchfield Custom Gutars Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 could you do this with satin polycrilic and get a satin finish? Im looking to do a burnt stained red rg550 and was wondering if i could just tint the satin polycrilic and put on a couple coats using only the tinted polycrilic as both a base layer and protective coat. Should i just get some bright red stain and put polycrilic over that? I want the same sort of satin/matte finish like on the jem7bsb, but i want it to be red. Also, with the food coloring, i could make it just the shade i want. Should i just tint some polycrilic red, stain with that, and put some untinted polycrilic over that? Thanks for your help. Neal I would assume it would work, but I would use semi gloss (satin) Deft laquer for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnJohn Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 Sure, but exactly where are you finding black food coloring? I was thinking of cooking off a vanilla bean and concentrating it. Professionally I'm a chef,so there's all kinds of wierd industry dyes that I can get my hands on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Librero Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 i wouldn't use polycrylic as a top coat. Professionally I'm a chef,so there's all kinds of wierd industry dyes that I can get my hands on. This almost sounds scary, coming from a chef... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnJohn Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 This almost sounds scary, coming from a chef... lmao-I meant for baking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Mailloux Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 Cooking a vanilla bean and reducing it???!!!! Damn! by then you won't have much liquid left to stain and I doubt that it will become dark enough to colour the guitar properly. If I were you i'd use squid ink (remember those black colored pastas?) You can now call this thread: "Chef's-who-wanna-be-luthiers" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnJohn Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 Cooking a vanilla bean and reducing it???!!!! Damn! by then you won't have much liquid left to stain and I doubt that it will become dark enough to colour the guitar properly. If I were you i'd use squid ink (remember those black colored pastas?) You can now call this thread: "Chef's-who-wanna-be-luthiers" lol To cook out the bean you need to soak it for 24 hours first in alcohol then add water and reduce about 1/4. To burn off the alcohol heat a pan and pour the fluid in away from the heat.The Shock of the liquid hitting the pan will vaporize the alcohol.Let stand open for 24 hours after to evaparate any remaining alcohol,(in a shallow pan). Vanilla beans are quite potent and can go a great distance. Squid ink is a good alternative,but would need to be cut due to it's concentration level. However,today I found black food colouring.It's made by Wilton enterprises ( http://www.wilton.com )They are based out of Illinios. Their address is Wilton Industries,Inc. Woodbridge Il 60517 The stock #is 610-981 The sample that I have is a 1oz concentrated paste.So it should extend a ways.I haven't had a chance to play with it yet. After clicking the link you can go to their on-line store.They accept major credit cards. If the colours don't come up in the list type "Icing Colors" into their search area and click basic set after.You should see "icing colors" in the list on the left. If anyone wants to try before they buy let me know,(if it's okay with the admins.),and I'll send you a small sample to try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maher Posted April 21, 2004 Report Share Posted April 21, 2004 What is minwax polycrylic and where can i get it ? im in the UK. And could this be pinned? i think its ver useful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Litchfield Custom Gutars Posted April 21, 2004 Report Share Posted April 21, 2004 Poly crylic is waterbased poly urethane in a can. That is the brand I used, but I am sure others will work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devon Headen Posted April 22, 2004 Report Share Posted April 22, 2004 Instead of cooking down vanilla beans or whatever, why not just buy the black dye from StewMac? It'll save a lot've trouble, and you're guaranteed it'll work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhoads56 Posted May 10, 2004 Report Share Posted May 10, 2004 Research all finishing techniques before you decide on using non UV resistant food colouring, which is designed for eating, and temporarily colouring food, rather than the cheaper option of wood and lacquer specific dyes which are designed for woodworker projects and have an extremely long lifespan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weezerboy Posted May 10, 2004 Report Share Posted May 10, 2004 genius plan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Litchfield Custom Gutars Posted May 10, 2004 Report Share Posted May 10, 2004 Research all finishing techniques before you decide on using non UV resistant food colouring, which is designed for eating, and temporarily colouring food, rather than the cheaper option of wood and lacquer specific dyes which are designed for woodworker projects and have an extremely long lifespan. Say what you will. The colors I did a year ago with regular UV exposure are still the same no fading. So if ya dont know what you are talking about, step down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhoads56 Posted May 10, 2004 Report Share Posted May 10, 2004 Research all finishing techniques before you decide on using non UV resistant food colouring, which is designed for eating, and temporarily colouring food, rather than the cheaper option of wood and lacquer specific dyes which are designed for woodworker projects and have an extremely long lifespan. Say what you will. The colors I did a year ago with regular UV exposure are still the same no fading. So if ya dont know what you are talking about, step down. Yep, and we have had another forum members guitar ruined because of food colouring. Aniline dyes are extremely cheap, use the correct dyes please people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Litchfield Custom Gutars Posted May 10, 2004 Report Share Posted May 10, 2004 And that person was not using this tutorial. So by posting your unresearched reply, you potsed bad advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maher Posted May 10, 2004 Report Share Posted May 10, 2004 ahhhh ! i just bought 5 bottles of blue food coloring Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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