amotz Posted June 3, 2019 Report Share Posted June 3, 2019 Latly i have decided to restore an old Framus guitar. it's a 12 string accoustic guitar. It is a really nice looking guitar that had great sound ( 20 years ago). One of the item i need is a the tuning keys also called machine heads. I have ordered diffrent 2 sets of tuning keys and both where found out to be incompatible. I am mostly concerned as to the compatibility of the tuning keys with my guitar. I would greatly appreciate it if you could look at some of the pictures I took of the guitar's head and slots for the tuning keys. I measured the distances and it seems that the distance between the beginning of the first tuning key hole and end of the last tuning key hole is 5 inches, or about 127 mm. I had the misfortune to already have ordered tuning keys for the guitar and found them to be incompatible - one was 121 mm from first to last tuner and the second one was 125 mm which was close, but still too short. Words could not describe my gratitude were you able to provide assistance in locating a fitting set of tuning keys for the guitar in the exact measurements needed and the web address of the exact item. I greatly appreciate your help, Amotz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADFinlayson Posted June 3, 2019 Report Share Posted June 3, 2019 The distance between the centre of each post is the main thing you need to be concerned about, If the screw holes don't match up you could always glue dowels into them and redrill them to fit your new tuners as they will be covered by a plate anyway. My understanding is that most metric 12 string guitars tend to be 25mm from the centre of one post to the centre of the next. I guess if the guitar uses imperial measurements, then the distance would be 1" between post to post. If you look at the Warwick website, they have lots of Framus vintage parts listed https://shop.warwick.de/modul=shop_new&site=shop_overview&&ctree=D0405358001321517424A43801|D0039726001456126555A9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amotz Posted June 3, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2019 Hi ADFinlayson. thanks for your fast reply. the exact distance between each post is 25.4 mm. I have already tried and was in contact eith the Framus site and warwick shop. they only offer machine heads with 25.8 mm distance between posts which is not compatible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizman62 Posted June 3, 2019 Report Share Posted June 3, 2019 That's a Texas from the late 60's, isn't it? Don't know if this is still available: https://reverb.com/item/18238658-framus-framus-12-string-1960-s-texan-5-296-acoustic-guitar-tuners Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistermikev Posted June 3, 2019 Report Share Posted June 3, 2019 dang that seems like a real long shot. I imagine if you really wanted to find exact replacements you'd have to do a lot of searching on reverb and evilbay... then pay thru the nose when you found them. It's a beauty guitar and would be a shame to modify it... that said guitars were meant to be played! I'm guessing you could easily just buy some single piece tuners and drill new holes but you were trying to avoid that yes? i did see an evilbay seller offering framus vintage tuners... but no info on spacing. you could reach out: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Framus-Vintage-Nickel-Tuners-Oval-Plastic-knob-6-in-Line-left/323442798271 hope that helps! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizman62 Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 @mistermikevI found those too, but they looked the same as those on the Warwick site, with the posts too far apart. AFA single tuners, wouldn't they add to the weight too much? At least the closed ones? Amazon had some too but either they didn't give the measurements or they were either inaccurate or unusable. Asking the vendor is an option, getting a valid answer can be challenging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistermikev Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 ah, spacing yes. perhaps. afa weight: https://reverb.com/item/1501752-gotoh-stealth-new?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIsY-o7szP4gIVFbvsCh17cwq9EAQYAiABEgIucPD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds&pla=1 gotoh makes some amazing stuff. they also make some other really lightweight tuners but these are the lightest... probably lighter than the originals. that said... it'd be a shame not to put something original on their... unfortunately that probably could take a long time to track down the right ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TQK Posted August 17, 2021 Report Share Posted August 17, 2021 did you ever get a solution? I have the same issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strum12 Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 Did you ever find the machines for your Framus 12 string? I have one that also needs them. Plus I need a plate that covers the truss rod. Any help would be appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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