extrempyro Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 wanted to change one of my quadrails on my Kramer to a sustainor by modding it as shown on this site. I'm having a hard time understanding the schematics, and there is no email to contact the person who made it. I'm not sure how it allworks/what all I need. If someone could please explain this in detail yet at the same time in major lamens terms that would be excellent. Thanks -Josh first time posting please help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren wilson Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 That's the first i've seen of this "sustainer mod" and i can't see it being terribly effective. The wiring/component diagrams seem a little too basic for anyone to make sense of. If you're a "major layman", you might want to try some simpler electronic mods until you get the hang of soldering and guitar electronics in general. Having a buzzy little piezo speaker screaming away in my guitar would drive me nuts, and i don't think it would give very natural-sounding feedback/sustain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ansil Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 That's the first i've seen of this "sustainer mod" and i can't see it being terribly effective. The wiring/component diagrams seem a little too basic for anyone to make sense of. If you're a "major layman", you might want to try some simpler electronic mods until you get the hang of soldering and guitar electronics in general. Having a buzzy little piezo speaker screaming away in my guitar would drive me nuts, and i don't think it would give very natural-sounding feedback/sustain. have you built it??? i have a real hard time trying to eplain to people why stuff works, when it does, but if you have built it and dont' like it. i am sorry, to each his own if you haven't built it and are just assuming based on normal practical theory, then well u would be disapointed by not trying it everyone is entitled to there own opinions. and as i have stated many times before this will not actualy driver your strings. but will cause a sympathetic feedback via the .. u know what i am not going to waste my time explaingin this . take a speaker put it in front of your pickups if you can't see the benefits of manipulatign yoru sound this way, then by all means dont' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren wilson Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 I understand the theory, and i think it's pretty clever, sort of along the lines of the Fernandes Nomad guitars with the built-in amp and speaker. I just wouldn't want a piezo speaker buzzing away in my guitar. Now that i realize the "LM386" is actually the Radio Shack part number, i understand it a bit better. Could be a fun little experiment for a couple of bucks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jefm Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 I posted this in the same topic started on the solidbody side Ansil did it...he's on the board and hangs out in the electronics section (actually this probably belongs there) From my understanding it feeds the pickup out to an opamp that boost the output to drive a mini speaker...that basically vibrates the pickup...in a self sustaining cycle...the strings vibrate the pickup and the pickup vibrates the strings... That's what I gather From what ansil just said what I posted above in the quote is wrong...I'll go dig through the big thread about those tutorials after I don't imagine that the piezo would make it sound buzzy though...it should be secured to make it work...I'm guessing now that this is to shake the pickup in relation to the strings or just set the coils shaking...meh...in either case the amp (LM386) drives the peizo and the peizo shakes something and sets up a vibration that "sustains" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cr_XD Posted April 2, 2004 Report Share Posted April 2, 2004 what is the intention of the sustainer, is it to feedback the signal of the strings back to it to make it vibrate longer?? i just want some fancy theory some post here every now and then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ansil Posted April 2, 2004 Report Share Posted April 2, 2004 check the four tutorials original thread i put up a mod page, and a faq page http://geocities.com/cemaynard1134/faqsustainor.htm heres a faq and a modded sustainor page found it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeAR Posted April 3, 2004 Report Share Posted April 3, 2004 Ansil, I dont doubt that your idea has some merit, but are you able to record the results as a WAV or MP3 so we can have a listen to what your circuit sounds like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ansil Posted April 3, 2004 Report Share Posted April 3, 2004 Ansil, I dont doubt that your idea has some merit, but are you able to record the results as a WAV or MP3 so we can have a listen to what your circuit sounds like? sure, someone send me a gutiar. be glad too. i dont' have a guiatr currently that has this done to it,.. i orgiinally got the idea from my buddys guitar that i was fixing aas a joke one of those terminator guitars. i gutted it and made it feedback and resonate via the internal speaker. i also did an acoustic the same way, although it was a slightly different principle if i can get my other guitar up and running i will gladly do some clips, but right now i am currently guitarless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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