Nirvana9136 Posted July 10, 2004 Report Share Posted July 10, 2004 I know this is kinda of a stupid question but i want to ask the guitar gurus or someone who knows what they are talking about: Are veneer finishes put on like a standard material finish? I want to know this before i but the veneer. Do you put it on the bare wood or to u have to seal the guitar first? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted July 10, 2004 Report Share Posted July 10, 2004 Welcome to the forum Nirvana9136 You can do it either way actually depending on what you have available and the type of finish your after. If you want the deep 3D finish I would start with bare wood, but if your after a burst and just want to highlight the natural grain you can use a sanding sealer over top. The best of both worlds is available in some markets where you can get a stainable sealer. Since your talking about a veneer instead of a cap one thing you should keep in mind is to rub your finish on with a moist rag or brush and try to avoid getting the veneer soaked with moisture since it is so thin it may swell up and seperate from the wood it is mounted on. Don't freak out if this happens just let it dry and cover the area with a small piece of aluminum foil, then tack the seperated area down with a common household iron. It takes practice because to much heat and the area around the bad spot will lift and seperate as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvertonessuckbutigotone Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 i think what he/she meant is do you put the veneer on bare wood or put sealer on top first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joej Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 I've got a body and a stack of veneer right now. I plan on gluing the veneer directly to the wood. I've got hide glue and Titebond and plan to use Titebond. If I do larger sheets, then I need to go get some bags of play sand from Home Depot. Thats what will give me even pressure across the sheets. I actually plan on laying a veneer design down in pieces. But, I think I'll still do the sand thing -- place the sand in a big bag of some type so that it will lay across the whole body and have enough weight across the piece. If the pieces design screws up, then I'll heat/scrape and remove the pieces ... and go for the large, nice-looking sheet of veneer :-) -- joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 I plan on gluing the veneer directly to the wood. yes that is what you should do...do not glue veneer onto an already sealed body Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drak Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 I would say that trying to glue down a design piece by piece is a disaster in progress. The proper way to do this is to buy yourself a roll of veneer tape, learn how to use it (on top, and it's easy), and tape your design ALL together FIRST. Then, after your design is all taped together the way you want it, then you glue it to the body AS 1 PIECE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sscovill Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 So...you should put sanding sealer on the veneer top BEFORE adding the stain/dye and then sand it back down to the original wood? Is this correct? If so, what grit paper would you recommend to use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 So...you should put sanding sealer on the veneer top BEFORE adding the stain/dye and then sand it back down to the original wood? Is this correct? If so, what grit paper would you recommend to use? no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sscovill Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 I've obviously misunderstood. So, do I even need sanding sealer on top of the veneer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 I've obviously misunderstood. So, do I even need sanding sealer on top of the veneer? it depends on what you are doing...i suggest you buy a book that drak suggested i buy once,that explains just about every finishing secret in great detail for some reason though i cannot find the book...drak..can you help me out with the name? you COULD also run a search on this site and read everything you can find on the subject...that way you wouldn't be quite so clueless and your questions would be a little less broad..i know everyone wants everything handed to them...but a little research goes a long way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sscovill Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 (edited) Wow...I feel a bit flamed. I never have any lucking finding anything on the search and thought I'd piggy back on this topic. Edited September 14, 2004 by sscovill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 Wow...I feel a bit flamed. don't take it that way...i only want you to get used to using the search function...there is a ton of info on this very subject and it is all available through a search...sometimes it is tough to get the search function to find what you need...but keep trying and you will... there are also finishing tutorials on the main site which will help get you started... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 http://projectguitar.ibforums.com/index.ph...+then+sand+back and on my search i found the book i was looking for 'Understanding Wood Finishes' by Bob Flexner, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sscovill Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 I understand. It's just easy to jump on a topic and try to get your question addressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 I understand. It's just easy to jump on a topic and try to get your question addressed. well it would be...if the answer didn't involve about 5000 words to properly discuss it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sscovill Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 Alright. Fair enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drak Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 For what you're doing, hell, you could use the Titebond itself for a sealer! Take your Titebond and pour some in a plastic bottle (I use a plastic 16 oz. Coke bottle cut in half) and add a ratio of about 2/3 glue to 1/3 water and stir it up with a stirring stick. It should look like thick runny cream. You can use this with a cheap paintbrush to brush on your wood. Wait about an hour or two and it will be hard enough to be sandable. Gently sand it flat and BOOM, you've just pore-filled and sealed and levelled your wood with glue, which, if you glue your veneer on within 24 hours of doing this, will bond to the glue substrate. This is an offshoot of a veneer method. One way to apply veneer is with an iron. You cut the glue like I described, apply it to both surfaces to be joined with a paintbrush, let dry for an hour or so, gently sand them flat, then iron the veneer on. I've done this before lots of times, it's actually the first way I learned to apply veneer, but I like to just glue it like I glue everything else down now, works better for me, but the glue-as-pore-filler-sealer is valid anyway. You don't really have to use any sealer at all tho, unless you're gluing onto something like porous Ash..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maiden69 Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 Drak, I did this to fill the pores on a neck that I shaped and I didn't even thinked about saying it, I thought that I was crazy for doing it, but I didn't had any sealer, and I thoguht that the glue will do good, and it did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drak Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 Yup, po' fillin' is po' fillin'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joej Posted October 16, 2004 Report Share Posted October 16, 2004 One more posting --- to update on what I posted earlier in this thread. Here it goes: Listen to Drak !!! http://projectguitar.ibforums.com/index.ph...ndpost&p=137104 -- joe Darn! Cutting, fitting and recovering from screwups takes a long time when you are trying to cut, fit, and glue veneer while working on the top of a guitar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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