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God? Is that you God? Hey, do what you've gotta do, whoever you are. People keep ragging on me, I keep responding. And by the way, experienced by what standard? The net is full of wanna be's and pretenders.

Well professor, if we look back, my first post does something few have done...I answered the asked question. Then I posted that I didn't get the "Snotty Attitudes", really not directly insulting anyone, simply I wasn't a fan of "The Snotty Attitudes". Woodenspoke responded by calling me an idiot...game on. Still with me? Still sure who started the name calling? Neither here nor there...a bunch of people passing judgment on something they've NEVER USED...STOP THE PRESSES.

See, now I wont waste my time arguing who is smarter or who's dick is bigger, very boring. I actually own several of Dan Erlwine's works mein fuhrer. And I'm not so much defending this kit as I am exposing you closed minded, tight assed geeks for what you are. Remember, I didn't start the name calling in this thread

Soapbar, how do you attach those blinders? Do you use traditional hide glue or new age super glue? In all honesty, watching you guys and your 100% predictable responses is fairly decent free entertainment...so I guess I should be thanking you. I guess it's wasted on you, but do you not see that you took one line from the big picture to twist something around to your myopic way of thinking once again. Ironically you took one line from a post that chided you from doing the same thing.

Now see, quoting one sentence from a review to twist the review to your point of view is hardly fair. If I were to do that, I'd quote the whole last paragraph, like this "The results were truly amazing. It went from a guitar that I disliked, to one of my favorites. There are no detectable buzzes anywhere and is a true pleasure to play now." But I really think it's much better to A) read the whole review and B ) Try a product before condemning it ;-)

Well apples and oranges Perry, it made the frets on my Seagull (not a crap guitar BTW, a well made North American product) level. True enough, it's far from automatic and I admit I may have gotten lucky on 2 guitars...but I stand by that it worked for the application I purchased it for. Fair enough, you and Ben are friends, and you're giving him a friendly dig, it's just not obvious to people who don't know you both and it really looked like you're making fun of a customer (absolute death to a business in my books). Anonymous, faceless internet poster? Congratulations big guy, you've just described 99.999% of the posters on this, and every bulletin board on the net. My relationship with the company? Easy there agent Mulder, no conspiracy theory here no matter how deep you look. I fully explained myself in the post you quoted in it's entirety but obviously did not read. Nor do I have to justify myself to you, a faceless, quite possible anonymous Internet poster from the other side of the world

Mattia, this is a 20 dollar kit that is targeted at people who want to do quickey fret levels on cheap guitars IMHO. For that it works fine and is decent value to me. No argument is going to change the improvement to this near death Seagull acoustic guitar sitting in front of me. The thing was completely unplayable, now it plays great, not a buzz anywhere. Was it worth 20 bucks to me for that alone, yep. If I throw the kit out today it paid for itself on one guitar. I will probably move up to more traditional tools, and this kit will have given me the confidence to do so. Could I have gone out to Home Depot and pretty much bought everything in the kit, likely...but I still think the kit is decent value. Perry, at no point have I claimed this kit was a replacement for traditional tools or have I touted it as top quality. I've said on numerous occasions it's decent for leveling frets on cheap guitars, which is what I bought it for as I've picked up a number of throwaway guitars to practice various repairs on (haven't destroyed one yet). As for Ben, no don't get all high and mighty on me here Perry, your post clearly stated he took too much off, he would have done that with ANY tools and you know that. Common sense dictates, just by looking at the tool, you'd want to mask off any fretboard you don't want sanded. What kills me, is you went ahead and charged Ben 300 bucks and are now laughing at him that he;ll be back in 12 months for a fret job. If I'm Ben, I'd be asking you why you didn't offer up this info before you charged me 300 bucks for a temporary repair?!?! Could you not have done a re-fret and fretboard re-fin for under 400 bucks? LOL, and I was waiting for one of you guys to ask me the paranoid question of who I was and what I was up to. Just a guy who bought the kit and it worked for me. I did a search to read up on the kit, found some good and some bad. Google "Thomas Ginex", this thread comes up number 5 or 6. Look at my first post, it's answering the guys original question of opinions on the kit, I gave him mine. The kit worked for me, because I have a decent knowledge of guitar repair (still learning) & I use common sense. If you have no common sense and shave of 75% of the fret material with any tools, you can't blame the tools. And Perry old boy, if you think it's acceptable to mock your customers on a forum and hope more people booger their guitars with kits like this so they can give you more money...then why would you ever think I would welcome help from someone like you?!?!

If you think that was too harsh, I edited the word for just you. Listen, everyone is entitled to their opinion. How boring is a group of people judging something they have never even seen let alone tried. So far, of the people in this thread who have actually tried this kit, ONE, ME, it has worked well for me in the application I purchased it for. Does anyone else even notice that the guys that have not even tried this kit and feel the need to make it sound like satin's evil wand are likely luthiers or guitar repairmen? Gee, can you spell vested interest in seeing tools like this fail? As for Ben's opinion, well the kit didn't booger his guitar. Ben boogered his guitar by not using common sense and not reading the instructions, seriously, if you gave a blind man a running chainsaw and he cut off his arm...would it be fair to blame the chainsaw??? Our hero Ben would have likely done the same damage with traditional tools, let's at least try and be honest here. And soapbarstrat, since you posted a bad review here's a good one Review

A heckler and a philosopher...you've used your time well

Man what a forum of hostile gosh darn guys.

Woodenspoke, you're clearly just looking for a fight and are never wrong, so best of luck to you guy. And rhodes, if the dummy didn't tape off his maple fretboard, he really isn't too sharp and deserves to have to deal with the likes of you. Listen, this is not my way, nor have I ever said it's better than the traditional way. Once again, this kit works fine on cheaper guitars where you can't justify paying someone like you 100-150 bucks or buying your own tools for 200-300 bucks. If you follow the instructions and don't want to pay a know it all like you to fleece him and then laugh at him on your "I'm better than the rest of the world" forum, the kit will work fine. In retrospect you can create this kit yourself fairly easy for 10 or so bucks, or you can save time and buy it for 20...big difference.

I give up, it's just not worth arguing with a group of closed minded know it alls.

Man, I don't get the snotty attitude from some closed minded guy that refuses to even try the kit. I don't think it was designed for someone like you who has hundreds of dollars invested in fret leveling tools. Open your mind a little guy, if your too cheap to drop 20 bucks to evaluate the kit fairly, why beat the crap out of something you've never even tried? Worked fine on 2 beat up low end guitars for me...to me it paid for itself by making 1 guitar destined for landfill playable again. Here's an easy breakdown for you, no physics required. DON'T Use this kit on a 1959 Les Paul. DO Use this kit on a 1997 Squier Strat.

That's true, it does hit the fretboard when you "re-crown". I'd tape off maple necks for sure, but it worked fine on the two rosewood board guitars I did as the fretboards were inrough shape too.

I agree that it's flat and does not radius. You have to radius by feel, I got lucky doing that twice. I would never use it on a really expensive guitar but for the low end and mid level guitars where you can't justify paying for a level or a shop full of expensive tools...it does the job very well. Also, I really don't get why they tell you to do it with the strings on and tuned to pitch. I had better results with the strings off. For 20 bucks you can get 4 or 5 unplayable guitars playable again. For me it's worth it.