So I've listened to dragonforce and more then just one song, and it seems to me that they TRY really really hard to be the fastest guitar players out there, mean while there guitar skills are weak and are not even comparable to guitar players like , Michael Romeo, John Petrucci, Paul Gilbert, these guitar players acutally know music, anybody watch the herman li betchya can't play this? haha he doesn't even know what key he is in, and his buddy is tapping with a pick? this is pathetic. People say they sound so good and there singer is great, Russell Allen from Symphony X absolutely blows him away. and meanwhile dragonforce is terrible live anyhow, and ive heard many people say this. Michael Romeo of symphony X is lightyears ahead of Herman Li and a lot faster and he incorperates more guitar technique. Dragonforce is a German metal band wanna be, German metal has been playing solo duets forever, jsut listen to the right bands, and people think dragonforce's solos and duets are great? dragon force is a bunch of rookies who are just trying to be the fastest progressive and metal band around, while they sound like total crap, so maybe by now you can see i hate dragon force hahhah