Dean

If I read you correctly , your going to shave a little off the lower frets , which will make the action a little higher in that area.I would just raise the action a little and leave the frets alone.Either way the action will be altered.Your talking very little movement.Hope someone else has more info for you, as this is just a thought.

I look at the setup as a seperate process.When you finish the building process,and do the setup, do you have anyone that you can go to for a review of your work?They could point out any problems and give you tips on how to approch them.That is what I did with my builds.More lessions to be had.hahaha

Just remember there is a very famous violin out there,cost a million plus if you could buy one.With all the modern equipment we have today ,they still can not reproduce it.That seems to mean ,to me, that we have a long way to understanding what effects tone and sound.

Looks like a tele to me.....I think that fixing your problems as you go along says alot about you.It is a learning process and you seem to be doing just fine.Keep up the good work.Your next build will be ten times better ,as your learning curve is comming along very well.Remember their not mistakes , they are lessons.

Hey, how is that thing going?Lets see a update...if you've had time to work on it.Looking good so far.

I was pretty sure that was the case....to different animals all together....Yhea, I saw the holes on the neck, end block and figured it was a bolt on.Thanks for the responce.

Mikro, that is the best how to and pic post I think I have ever seen.I learn by seeing and that was a great lesson.Is a arch top similar in construction,or is it a totally different process?I know the top is arched and carved different,but the bracing and steps is what I am asking about.Your work is tops....the lines and combo are just pure art !!!!!

Too bad you're only getting one side of the situation. That one side is not only well out of context but the information is picked & chosen to serve only one side, not to tell the entire story.

Then give us the entire story, I'd love to hear it.

I quoted you directly, and was trying to keep it brief.

Personally, I'd love to hear how you came to involve yourself in a thread which you had no real business in in the first place.

You posted absolutely nothing whatsoever about the thread topic.

Then calling someone who repeatedly went out of their way to help you derogatory names.

That, my Conflict Resolution Specialist friend, says far more about you than it does me.

I've been called a million names while I've been here, I am no stranger to being called all kinds of things, and most people who have been here awhile will know that that bothers me exactly Zero.

The point is, you just don't deserve any further help from me, that's all, no big deal.

...You want to be a MOD, don't you?

'Defender of the Tragically Oppressed' per Drek

I'll reply to Drek.....I would tell them to go back to the thread you posted in ,but you removed most of your spouting off.Keep your stuff with me ,if you can .He just did not say what you wanted.You can not handle the truth !!!! He no longer wants your help.Hey Wes V help a brother out , your skills are far better anyway.You ask me to ask the forum if you were right ,and I did ,but as usuall it did not go your way.

I quoted you directly, and was trying to keep it brief.

No you did not , the brief part was what you choose , post it all or nothing !!!

I've been called a million names while I've been here, I am no stranger to being called all kinds of things, and most people who have been here awhile will know that that bothers me exactly Zero.

Then why are you being such a baby....I know six year olds more muture then you.

Personally, I'd love to hear how you came to involve yourself in a thread which you had no real business in in the first place.

You posted absolutely nothing whatsoever about the thread topic.

He also PM'ed you as to why he did it and you went off on him( peace maker ) ring a bell

Yes, he did ...he responded to me, and I responded to you.....and now you take another topic off thread for your enjoyment....again!!!! So why are you invloved in a thread you don't want to be in and have nothing to offer.

You want to be a MOD, don't you?

If being like you is wanting to be a Mod .......you can keep it....do you think Mod stands for,do what ever you want with out any consequence.If you do not want to post on this thread , stay out.Drek is mad at me and taking it out on someone else, period.

Man, I know you have heard the glue thing to much, but Thanks Man ,that pic made my day.Wish there was a easy solution to your problem, maybe sell it and start over.Someone mite like the weight and style, and you get to do it again.

You can't sell your first build can you? In 20 years, it would be nice to look back at that one and say - that's what my first build looked like.. I'm halfway through my second build now. Ready to install the frets. I bet I can get a lot of glue in those little slots. (Just kiddiing).

I think that first builds have more value to the builder then any buyer. It took more hours then the guitar is worth to anyone else. I think I'll keep it.

Have you guys sold your guitars? I mean, those of you who build one or two here and there for enjoyment?

-John

I would not sell any of my guitars ,much less my first build....totally agree...just a suggestion.Sounds like your fixing the problem in your second build.Good luck with your build,and I like your first one ,too.

Man, I know you have heard the glue thing to much, but Thanks Man ,that pic made my day.Wish there was a easy solution to your problem, maybe sell it and start over.Someone mite like the weight and style, and you get to do it again.

Yeah Danny Carey their drummer is unreal, truly an amazing drummer. Seeing him play his drumset always amazes me away, even better was during their last tour I think, they did an instrumental that was three songs strung together and they brought out the opener band to help with percussion, which was Messuggah, it was wicked.

One of the pages on his site is kinda fun too, its a pic of his main current setup and when you point at the different drums and symbols they make the sound, pretty cool. Its not all that current being the pics says 2002, but close enough I've seen a couple different setups like this, the Lateralus tour I saw he also had a big fat gong on the side that he used for a song or two and some other minor stuff.

Danny Careys page

Cool guitars Dean, but I must say I would pass up that acoustic just to get those rad blue rollerskates to hit a disco with, lol.

LOL,I forgot about the disco skaters,they even made porn with them in it at the time.Man that took me back, flashbacks you know.

All's well that ends well.

Trust me it has not ended.....I am far from through with you....

Denis, you didn't do anything to start this.

No kidding.....It was all you ,you moron.....I know you will not answer my questions ,because you will have to show the real you.You just read and make solid body guitars, how about a arch top guitar master.I figure with all your skill and info you can do anything.I'll settle for a one piece neck from scratch out of you.Till you do anything original, your just a talker not a doer.Anybody that has made one guitar ,knows there is alot of ways to do something.Again I have no respect for you,alls well that ends well.....Tell that to the people you demeaned in the open forum..... Man up and tell them your sorry for being .....you.You need to go join Britney Spears ,your a head case ,too.

Does anyone here remember Black Oak Arkansa , Hot and Nasty.......I had to endure Disco,but I did get some of the best ,too.

Hey, man your guitars are really cool.And being from Texas ,too.I grew up in Texas,most of the time.Check this guitar out ,I think you will like them.

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I have really started to like the mosrite guitars , just great playable art .

The only thing that changes is temp. ,so the neck has to be moving ,maybe a slight expanding of the fret board wood is causing your problem.Your tight setup does not need much to buzz.It is like everything I run into ,it is not broke and it is not well,hard to pin point problem.Sounds like you have very good people to ask and they have not fixed it for you.Not sure what to recommend.Maybe a controlled temp. room. or put in a room with idea temp and see if it goes away.If it does your neck is moving.

Follow up question:

I didn't seal/spray the backs of these thin pieces at ALL. I think I remember doing one coat of sanding sealer on the backs, but I'm not positive. When the tops are wetsanded, will this moisture going to soak in through the bottoms? With that in mind, should I give the bottoms a coat or three of lacquer just in case?

If your not going to see the under parts ,you can seal them with lintseed oil, just coat it good ,it will keep moisture out.If you already lacquered them they should be good to go.

I used most of a can of lacquer on the pup ring, control plate and pickguard. The neck is slowly being sprayed, I still haven't been to my brother-in-law's to drill the holes for the bushings & neck screws.

In about 3 weeks, the first batch of stuff (rung/plate/pg) will be cured and ready to buff out. Here's a logistical question. All of the pieces are small - too small to clamp down. How well, or badly for that matter, would it work if I screwed the pieces to some scrap plywood to stabilize them through the process? Are the screws (normal p/g screws) going to tear up the sandpaper? Would I be better off just holding them down by hand?

I would hold them in my hand....alot of way to do this...mount buffing wheel in vice or fix sand paper to something and move the part over it....kind of like shaping a nut....I do it in my hand no vice,get it close with grinding wheel and finish with files and sand paper then 00 steel wool....I just used that as a ex. ,I know you get the idea.I would not screw down the parts.JMO

It looks like whoever put the paint on ,just dripped runs on the white and then moved the paint around with their finger.You can see the line running thru the solid painted area,and almost make out finger prints in the paint.

Flippin' Ada, as some folks say this side of the pond, All I wanted was some help with a veneer and I seem to have started WWIII! In the process, I have got some really useful advice. Thanks

Before I retired (hurt) I was a qualified Counsellor. If anyone feels lthe need to explore their anger or other issues with me, please do it by PM.

Denis (- shortly before retiring to his nuclear bunker to get on with trying to build a guitar)

I retired hurt ,too....all I can say to you is I am truly sorry for my part in this,as you can tell I do have issues with Drek.I forgot about you and that was wrong.I am done with this post, and for you hope it gets back on track.I will post my way for you,hope it helps.

1. Make the veneer surface flat, router,plane,drimmel,etc. light sand with 250 grit then light sand with 400 grit

2. I then clean the area with Naptha, don't soak it

3. Let it dry, should not take long

4. Have a cup of water,clean rag, small files, scrapers, a damp rag, a block of hard flat wood with a 45 cut on one end about 3 inches long by 1 1/2 wide by 1 inch or so high with good square side,quick clamp,razzor blade...all handy

5. If your doing a flat surface put some position marks on the wood to go by

6. Have your water handy ,and damp cloth

7. I use titebond original wood glue, apply the glue to the wood area to be veneered ,I put it on and spread it with my finger.

8. Apply glue to back side of veneer, spread with finger ,this is where the cup of water comes in to clean your finger off before touching wood,also you have time to clean off glue bottle, make sure the glue is spread even and as thin as you can.

9. Apply veneer to body useing markers , it is going to slide around , use quick clamp to help hold it in place ,take your wood block and apply pressure, working from the middle out ,if it is a big piece of veneer press the veneer between two boards with wax paper between the veneer and board....flat boards ,no hole,scratchs,flat on the veneer side,clamp it good and make sure the veneer does not move, let it set about a half hour.Take the clamps off and start working the veneer with the block,also clean off excess glue with bamp rag, work the block like sanding you will feel the glue setting up.Press hard it will not hurt the veneer,work the edges,clead off glue as it comes out.

10. You will feel it setup , when it is good and tight ,start trimming the excess wood ,be carful when using the razzor to remove excess veneer the follow the grain as not to pull it off the area just veneered.if need be just use sand paper 80 grit to remove bigger areas,as you rub with the block you can sand some too when it is down tight.If you have veneer with holes in it you can sand with 250 or 400 grit , fill the holes with dust and hit it with super glue to hold it in place ,wait a little while and sand it ,hole filled ,same thing if you get a little off and have a small gap bretween veneer and body.if you have a big gap ,cut a pice of matching veneer , sand the area and glue it in using the wood block to work it ,then sand as needed.

I may have left something out as I am doing this on the fly.....but that is about it....do not do this unless you have time,you have to stay with it till done.

i would guess thats all done with tinted lacquer rather than any direct staining

tbh, with the veneer you have you dont need to worry about enhancing any figure to get it to pop so tinted lacquer is a safer/easier option anyway. You just need to worry about not applying the tint so heavily that is blocks out figure.

A couple of light coats of a rich amber/brown

A few more coats of lightly tinted purple so you can build the burst slowly and subtley

A coat of two of indigo/black tinted lacquer just bursted round the edges at the end

Lots of clear

Hey,Wes nice to see you chim in,thanks for helping out....this guy is doing a good job so far....and your input is very helpful.VANISHER listen to this guy,he knows his stuff.Get your friends to help you,I am looking forward to your work on this guitar.Take your time and do not rush.

Drek ,again you got it wrong...you took it off thread.I just told a guy his way was ok for him,and you go off.Why, because I did not answer the way you think I should,Again WHO ARE YOU? Like you said if you don't like something ,you can turn your computer off,but not you ,everyone else.Show me your work and resume,I would like to know who the great Drek is,so I can tell all my friends that I know you.Where did you go to guitar school,and what master did you work for.You don't answer any question about yourself. why should anyone do the same for you.I see that you have read many books or forums about guitars and like to be the answer man.Most real guitar builders don't have as much time to be on forums as you or I.The good ones are all about the music and the tone of the guitar.There is alot more to it then a few words on a forum.I learn by seeing, how do you address that in here.NO MATTER WHAT SOMEONE POST, does not matter ,you either use it or don't.The true masters of building are always improving their skill ,even if thier stuff looks the best of the best.Anyone that builds for a living ,says their best work is to come.You just go after people you don't agree with.Even with your knowledge ,your just a small person.I don't respect you at all, and anyone that looks to you as the info master needs to do more research.And to anyone wanting a forum that is all useful info,it is not going to happen,buy a book.My reply to Chris ,was to Chris...did you read Drek anywhere in it.People don't respond to you because they know you will not address their questions,you will just go off on some stupid rant that is all about you.Hey , while I think about it ,why don't you tell me how to build a neck and do a fret job.The little work you have shown has wormoth necks on them.It's ok you can let your real idenity known ,Ed Roman how you doing man ,I've always want to meet you.Your the best,I'am all choked up inside now.

MARIJUANA!!!

haha the dank black kind you find on quilt tops :-p

LOL ...you and everone that has seen it......must be something deep inside my head.But for now I'll call it a sun.

Just guessing but maybe replace the nut and raise the strings just a little on the nut end.As for the frets ,you got the right idea.Just clean up the ends real good.

Hey Drek how about you show me some of your veneering......is it detailed or just tops of tele's....cause that is some really hard stuff to do,NOT.I would like your resume as to guitar building,I'am sure you went to school for it.Anybody can read a book and recite processes.As for me having to prove anything to you ,it will not happen.Your not worth my time.I agree let the forum members read this crap and see what they think.

This is a invite for anyone to post about me or Drek.....as far as I am concerened anything goes when it comes to me.Say what you think.Let it rip.This is your chance.Does Drek give good info ,I think so .Is Drek a I'am better then you pain,yes.Drek goes off topic more then anyone to futher his point of view,and acts as if he is someone everyone needs to lisen to.Then he trys to bait you into a stupid prove it contest.No one has to prove anything to him.He still has not answered my questions,but I'am suppost to give him my resume ,because why....now he implies that the veneer I showed him is not done by me.....Do I care ,NO...He is just another guitar want to be,with some knowlege.Thang about computers is you really don't know who you talking to.He thinks I'am an old man that has not done to much in life as well as guitars.This could not be futher from the truth.I am a old guy,but I have done alot in my life.Your last post is real cute,what was it's point ,tring to piss me off.It just makes you look stupid,again.Can't suck me in to your crap is killing you.Keep laughing ....I would really love to meet you sometime,then we would both have something to laugh about, and the only thing you could eat would be soup.So post your next stupid post.If you were a real man you would answer my questions,but then you would look like a bigger jurk.Talk about writing something and not backing it up,step up and explain yourself.We do not need you to play 'Defender of the Tragically Oppressed'.Were you refering to Chris, or not and if not who??

this is the colors iv decided on but witha two stage burst from black to purple to natural..

can anyone tell if this is just a nitro finish or if its an oil finish?? cause i deffinately want my top to pop like this one

Very cool....if you can get that done it will really look hot.I like your taste in burst.Keep up the good work.It's not a oil finish.either nitro or poly.

So let me get this straight then...see if I have the story right...

1. Your post was really never intended to help anyone learn how to veneer.

2. You don't even know that much about veneering.

3. When openly given the chance to explain your veneer methods twice, (so maybe you might actually help someone)

...you completely avoid the subject alltogether without a single word about it.

Hmmmmmm........what are you trying so hard to avoid here?

So Dean, for a third time now, since you've got everyone's attention, would you like to explain your methods and techniques, the tools you used, etc., to do your veneer job in detail?

Why can't you tell us how you did it Dean?

What's the big deal with trying to help someone out?

Dean?

You out there?

Who the hell put you in charge....I'll answer your questions as soon as you answer mine...or can you read.Why would I post a how to ,just to get your crap back if you don't agree with it.This is not about attention ,it is about you.Just because your the ED ROMAN of this forum,does not make you the only answer.The guy asked you,and you answered ,done deal.If he ask me I'll do the same ,but I will not shoot someone down for their effort in answering the question.This is not the who is better then who forum.I'am not unsure about anything,when it comes to you!!!!!