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Don't worry, I already have... I'm pretty sure I'm probably a little older and a little more experienced than you are. Your problem is the fact that you take up everyone's bandwidth and time with what seem to be posts intended to get people to respond to ridiculous subjects. If that's not forum trolling I don't know what is. ← That's not forum trolling, and you definietely don't know what trolling is. a wiring diagram and question is hardly ridiculous subjects - and I assure you you're much younger than I am. Your experience, if you have any, doesn't show - unless you meant experience in forum cliches. Don't bother responding, although your ego won't hold you back, your comments are holding zero value ot me now. ...back to the electrical help for those who are here with a positive purpose. I am soldering your examples and will test the buzz tonight, thanks!

I shall attempt after work today. Thanks for helping and not being an infantile hipster dufus. Appreciate it

If you have a problem with someones post, you should hit the "report" button and speak with an admin. Flaming, name-calling, and doing what you call "trolling" really helps nobody, and it reflects your age very well.

Off-hand the bass samples are more abound. Two reasons, firstly the bass pickups came out way before the guitar and acoustoelectric ones. Secondly, these pickups are particularly good because they handle lower frequencies awesomely better than magnetic pickups, due to the wavelengths. So they're being shown off more. Here is a list of music in which you can hear these pickups at work though, and I will get you some samples soon. Hired musicians for last years music with these artists: keith richards, jeff beck, animal logic, the rite of strings, vertu, phil collins, rod stweart, diana ross, wayne newton, tori amos, stevie nicks upcoming, planet x, christina aguilera, dream theater derek shirinian. I have not found guitar examples online yet, just heard myself. but if you just wanna get the sense of this not being some strange pointless digitalness, here's the best sample I found. I will find more tommorrow. to be honest, you're not going to hear anything you haven't heard before. this system sounds no different than a regular guitar because it isn't any different than one in any way that ultimately affects the sound. Just imagine having a guitar with every single pickup in it so all the tone is captured, and then selecting what you'd want - that's what this is. I could just pickup my own guitar and show you a sample... Here's the company whose design has risen to the top and is being sold with guitars now. There's about 3 small samples on it. There electric section is down for preparing for the opening of them. http://www.lightwave-systems.com good night - time to start my 4-day work week.

weezerboy - see new thread for this where i answered your good question. this thread has been solved so we migrate on.

You're right. What happens is, the optical pickups recombine with the piece in the guitar. It then is output just like the cable coming out of the pickup - a simple electrical cable etc So yes, the optical system sends the entire unaltered vibrational signature. Not sure if you know what overtone signature is - but it sends this, throughout the whole audible range (and actually a little more than humans can here) You said pickups flavor sound, definetely they do. But that was my point. If you have a flavorful pickup in your guitar, you limit the choices after that pickup in your setup - right? In this case, you can - if you bypass the tonal controls of the guitar - send the signal out, unaltered, and then create your own flavor using whatever means necessary. I should mention the guitar can have all the same tone pots etc.. you want - and customizations I understand what you mean weezer by that you have a tone you like, and achieving it from this system will be like finding one vibration in the entire universe. That's certainly true - but you'd surely find many sounds you like and would be similiar enough. It's not something someone who loves their perfect tone wants to jump into - but let's remember that with all the modeling amps around..........we can most likely achieve our goals. weezer - dare i mention the idea of modeling pickups in the future? yikes.

Ok, so this needs a new thread. An electric guitar might be specifically called a electromagnetic guitar, more than an electrical guitar - this is because it uses magnets to convert changes in the electrons in the magnetic field into an electrical signal sent out of the guitar. An optical perfect is hardly different, except the first step. It uses the change in a spectrum of light - not magnetism - and converts this into an electrical signal. It's analog - not digital, at all. The optical receptor uses an LED light to detect the vibrational properties of a signal string. It sends the entirity of the vibrational proper - meaning every overtone up to slightly beyond the auditory range - into the electrical signal (not out of the guitar at this point). A pickup is like a permanent tonal color to a guitar. It will detect only a sample of the vibrational propers, each detecting it's own signature. This limits the coloring you can give the signal afterwards, because reviving lost tones is not the same as coloring them naturally. Practical points are as follows 1. the system for the optics is a part of the bridge, it does not go in the pickup area, meaning you have nothing under the strings, the optics are at the bridge, where a piezo might detect them. 2. the system does not need anything "special" - it uses the same guitar plug in, same cables, same pot controls (if you want them) - nothing quarky like custom strings or anything 3. it's not digital, it's analog - it sounds like an electric signal gotten from a string, just like magnetic pickups - the different is the full tonal range, which at the point before pot controls is the full physical range unmolested Benefits 1. magnets cause intereference in sound, they dampen the string vibrations by pulling on them, and they stop sustain. optical pickups - being light - do not interfere with the strings in any manner 2. buzzing and static - there's none from the pickups. no such thing as noise on a pickup at all, all that is detected is the vibration at that point in the chain 3. each string uses it's own pickup - which are combined in circuit - this means there's dedication to each strings qualities, only later are they combined. 4. string material is optional - these do not require steel strings. one can potentially use any matter, each of which will create a unique tone to it. 5. tonal color is not defined by the pickup - on a guitar, if you put a given pickup in, there are some tonal possibilities you cannot achieve. with the optical, your tonal shaping (done by tone pots if you want them, or EQ etc..) is really up to you. all using a standard guitar cable. 6. it's not digital i can't say that enough, it still sounds like a guitar if you plug right into a clean amp, hand slides, pick scraping etc.. - all sounds sound like a guitar, the only difference is a full tonal range which is up to you to shape, This item has been tested for a while with user input. How, about 23 to 30 major manufacturers of BASS and GUITAR (and even some violin, cello etc.. and even drums) - have bought production to add them to their models. soon enough these items will be sold to add in, but it might be a while.

It's not bland at all. You're misunderstanding what this does. It's detecting the same vibration as a magnetic pickup, it's merely detecting it in a different manner. This will sound as bland or special as a pickup will, and it will sound as bland or special as the string sound of a guitar is. All electric guitars sound like "rice" until you add a pickup to it - don't they? Well there you go, it's just a pickup like any other - the only differences are what I listed above, none of which make it more bland, only less bland. Plus, you can't say this is MORE bland when it detects enough for you to tonally color it to the Nth degree, where a magnet is automatically shutting out tones which you can never recover for tonal color.

they are. they're new, the most recent design is less than 8 months old. 23 major manufacturers already bought options to the pickups and will be carrying them in models this summer into early next year. so, they are going to be with them - it was merel a matter of solid testing, read above for details. to put it simply - the entirity of the vibration is detected, not just some choices of a pickup - and it leaves it up to the artist to control the changes from the true tone. what the optics picks up is essentially what your ear would hear without any tonal arrangement. and I say again - since someone will say this - it's ANALOG, not digital. it uses the same hookup on the guitar, nothings different, just the internals....... ....the major change is that any medium can be used for strings - the medium DOES change the sound of course - but this means you're open to ideas. weezerboy - yes, sorry for the edits i realized i was too non-explanatory

wrong. the sound is no different than the variety that occurs with magnetic pickups. magnetic pickups each are different and cause irreplaceable tonal choices that you are stuck with - unless you change pickups. optical pickups pickup the entire overtone signature - they leave it up to you to shape the result tonally - so you can choose what you want. so no - they don't sound bad - they sound like you want them to. and it's not digital, it's analog. so that argument won't work. it just detects the vibration through a different method than a magnetic field. and i doubt you've heard them, else you wouldn't say that. You mean like the fact that they don't sound good? ←

You're clinically inept. By the way guys - I've decided to go with the superbness of optical pickups, which detect the same string vibrations without interfering the strings with magnets, do it despite the material the strings are made of, give off absolute no buzz, no muffled sounds, do not reduce sustain with magnets, and pick up every harmonic even beyond an audible range... Vastly superior to a magnet, with no down side. It is one unit within the bridge, so that solves my bridge problem - just hope I can slightly alter their width! it does not need to be corrected F# (in its nature) should be sharp...if it was flat, it would be an F. ←

Don't take what I say and do it - but here's my guess. You'd want to center the intonators, and then put those directly at scale length. This allows the same room for increasing and cecreasing length. stew-mac appears to be telling you to make it non-parallel to the neck? Not sure why!

You said it sister

You guys should see where i live. I put new strings on, and literally less than 70 hours later they're turned to rust. my pickups so rust on the tops of the coils, just a little but there's not much metal there.

GregP - to me it's seem like a corrective is "just compensating for the symptom" where a zero fret is "eliminating the illness"...so to speak compensating for tension rather than removing it from the playing area. oh well, i go with zero for sure

THe ground wire that goes into my spring areas and goes onto the metal plate came off the other end. can someone remind me where the other end attaches to - the volumne knob, the selector etc...?? Also - there is a small thing hanging off the tone pot. I am guessin this is the capicitor/resistor that i need to KEEP in the mix. PS: if one cord goes into the tone pot, but no chords go out of it - how does it affect the ending result PSS: And why does one of my pickup chords go right to the output, whereas the other goes through selector/volume/tone - how does this work? thanks

One thing to add is - now that I removed those pickups (and generally messed with wires) i get a buzz that goes away when i contact the pots or the selector - anything metalic in the system. quietness is very important to me - so please let me know capicitor/recepitor ideas that will keep things quiet, thanks guys

Ok guys. Here's the deal. in my guitar I only need the one pickup - it is a seymour duncan stacked humbucker (single coil sized). It sounds awesome acoustic and wonderful for screaming leads in MIDDLE position. Right now I took out the other two pickups - which are a PAF FRED and a PAF PRO i am selling on ebay. So this diagram is simplistic. GOALS - Here's my goals 1. I do not need the selector switch obviously, so I would like to disable it from my loop - how should I connect these wires to do this? 2. I do not use my volumne knob or tone knob ever - as my setup is designed for recording and these are controled via my processor/amp - i need to remove these from the loop PROBLEM: normally when one of these (both? - the tone knob has a capacitor-looking thing on it) are removed, it causes tons of buzzing in the system. What is the cause and how can I fix this? 3. These pickups were installed for me. Any ideas as to why the 3 wires (including the grounding) on the pickup go nowhere? Thanks guys - really need help on removing selector, volumne, and knob - as later on I am adding other things like sustainer Here's the pic

I guess you're right - if I use a zero fret, then all the strings need is a bit of guide towards the tuning pegs. Hmm, ideas. Ragasguitars - you said zero frets are associated with cheaper guitars, and is a cheaper method - so what's the not-so-cheap method then? You didn't mention an alternative to support moving tension away from the frets or of correcting for existing tension? Thanks I'm working on my electronic customization here, so will be back thinking about this in a bit! Mr Alex - a nice wood nut sounds nice, perhaps a matching metal one or something we'll see.

zero frets dont compensate intonation! and corrective nuts are a waste of time and money, unless you have perfect pitch, or are **** retentive, then GO AHEAD! ← Huh? perfect pitch? That doesn't exist. I can easily tell when i press an F# that it's sharp, it doesn't take anything but a musicians to detect it - that's why it needs to be corrected.

There isn't any double thread - no idea what you're thinking of.

I need a small, low profile bridge, that I could set my own string distances to. On a normal bridge they are too large and I'd like to have a fixed bridge with altered distances between strings. On a similiar note - using a corective nut or zero fret, do you still need to adjust intonation on the bridge? Also, I need to be able to set the action on it, which makes it harder to make. Thanks guys

That said, thanks Setch. So now I would like to get peoples opinions on usage of a nut (and which one) versus the zero fret? Which have you guys chosen?

I prefer the zero fret to a slanted nut, because I like the feeling of it - and how the open notes don't sound open anymore.

So I've seen all forms of corrective nuts, including a zero fret. What I don't see is how they're all correcting the same thing. So this leads me to think there's combinations that would fix the problems. A zero fret is supposed to pull the first part of the tensioned string away from the fretting area, so you are not having the tension affect the pitch to the same degree, right? Now I always see some nuts which offset each string slightly to different degrees - this doesn't solve tension problems at all, so is it correcting the tension amount by altering the pitch? And how would it do this if you're still tuning it normally? I definetely am going with a zero fret, no doubt. But do I need the nut to correct for something else?