Adrian Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 hi everyoane i`m new on this forum, if i poste in the wrong place sorry , but i have a question about a guitar finish, here it goes. i bought a second hand ibanez guitar with some big scratches on the body, so i sanded off original finish and i did a satin one. but still don`t know if the satin finish needs a final clear coat(s)? please help me with some advice. thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foggy Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 hi everyoane i`m new on this forum, if i poste in the wrong place sorry , but i have a question about a guitar finish, here it goes. i bought a second hand ibanez guitar with some big scratches on the body, so i sanded off original finish and i did a satin one. but still don`t know if the satin finish needs a final clear coat(s)? please help me with some advice. thank you. If you've sanded back the original finish and properly applied a new satin finish, then there's no need for another finish. It all depends on the finish you've applied, how many coats you've applied, what kind of finish you're hoping to achieve and how well the new finish went on as to whether you need to do more on it. But you'll be the one that knows if the finish looks right or not. It's difficult to comment any further without a bit more detailed info (pictures ideally)of what you've already done. Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Posted February 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 hi everyoane i`m new on this forum, if i poste in the wrong place sorry , but i have a question about a guitar finish, here it goes. i bought a second hand ibanez guitar with some big scratches on the body, so i sanded off original finish and i did a satin one. but still don`t know if the satin finish needs a final clear coat(s)? please help me with some advice. thank you. If you've sanded back the original finish and properly applied a new satin finish, then there's no need for another finish. It all depends on the finish you've applied, how many coats you've applied, what kind of finish you're hoping to achieve and how well the new finish went on as to whether you need to do more on it. But you'll be the one that knows if the finish looks right or not. It's difficult to comment any further without a bit more detailed info (pictures ideally)of what you've already done. Jim thx Jim, i applied like this: primer - 2 coats, black satin paint from a can - 3 coats. at the actual moment the paint is still drying, i put the last coat on feb 8. i thought it will be not to good with 3 coats, but it is very good, better than i expected . the problem is not how i want, i know that, but rather is the satin finish needs to be protected or not with a clear coat?? this is the question that i`ve been asking myself. I have some pictures, but don`t know how to post them in here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foggy Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 (edited) hi everyoane i`m new on this forum, if i poste in the wrong place sorry , but i have a question about a guitar finish, here it goes. i bought a second hand ibanez guitar with some big scratches on the body, so i sanded off original finish and i did a satin one. but still don`t know if the satin finish needs a final clear coat(s)? please help me with some advice. thank you. If you've sanded back the original finish and properly applied a new satin finish, then there's no need for another finish. It all depends on the finish you've applied, how many coats you've applied, what kind of finish you're hoping to achieve and how well the new finish went on as to whether you need to do more on it. But you'll be the one that knows if the finish looks right or not. It's difficult to comment any further without a bit more detailed info (pictures ideally)of what you've already done. Jim thx Jim, i applied like this: primer - 2 coats, black satin paint from a can - 3 coats. at the actual moment the paint is still drying, i put the last coat on feb 8. i thought it will be not to good with 3 coats, but it is very good, better than i expected . the problem is not how i want, i know that, but rather is the satin finish needs to be protected or not with a clear coat?? this is the question that i`ve been asking myself. I have some pictures, but don`t know how to post them in here... Does the black paint you've used specify the need for a clear or lacquer coat? Some paints don't need clearcoating. Assuming that it does, if it's a satin finish you're ultimately looking for, then applying clearcoat (I'm thinking here of the lacquers I'm particularly familiar with ie. 2k lacquers) is going to give you a gloss finish. Unless you apply the clearcoat, then wet and dry it back to a pre-polishing smooth finish, say to 2000 wet and dry and just leave it at that. A word of warning though, if you do plan to do that then your clearcoat has to be almost perfect, or you'll be left with any minor imperfections shining out of your matt satin finish. You'll also find that guitars finished like that, particularly the necks, will polish up themselves with use anyway. It may well be that there are products out there (that others on here will be able to suggest) that are perfect for what you're trying to achieve, so hopefully someone else will chime in and point you in the right direction with this one. Best of luck with the guitar. Jim Edited February 9, 2009 by Foggy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Posted February 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 Does the black paint you've used specify the need for a clear or lacquer coat? On the can does not specify that i need to cover it with a clear coat, so i think it wil stay without any clear coat applied (this will affect the paint, example when i will play?). I just will wet sand the body, should i use soap in may water? thanks for the advice and help Jim. PS: I found out how to insert image, so here is my painted guitar body: http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/1081/image000sh3.jpg http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/998/image001rh5.jpg http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/7871/image002mp9.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Adrian Posted February 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 Thank you Jim for all the help . I`m now more confident about the work i`ve done. I think i`ll dry this paint for about 3 weeks, after that i`ll mount all the hardware. If the paint will try to "run away" off my body, I`m sure that i`ll add one or two more coats of black satin paint and that should do the trick. PS: It is my first paint job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syxxstring Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 Adding soap to the water, just a drop of oil free soap, will help prevent clogging of the sand paper. The risk you run is water entering some of the small holes causing the wood to swell and crack your finish. Wet sanding is not always the best option for a guitar. As far as clear, you really need to go back and look at the product you used. You call it primer. If it is I would put on a satin clear, primers will dry out and turn chalky left to there own. Read the directions for time windows to avoid adhesion issues. Most primers have a short window before you have adhesion issues but will have directions if you miss the window. If it is a single stage paint then you should be good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Posted February 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 Adding soap to the water, just a drop of oil free soap, will help prevent clogging of the sand paper. The risk you run is water entering some of the small holes causing the wood to swell and crack your finish. Wet sanding is not always the best option for a guitar. As far as clear, you really need to go back and look at the product you used. You call it primer. If it is I would put on a satin clear, primers will dry out and turn chalky left to there own. Read the directions for time windows to avoid adhesion issues. Most primers have a short window before you have adhesion issues but will have directions if you miss the window. If it is a single stage paint then you should be good. Thx for the advice. I`ll look for a satin clear at the store. PS: Another question regarding grain filler and sanding sealer. I know that grain filler is used to cover wood pores, I still keep searching to buy one (In Romania, where i`m from), it is like a primer ? Some alternative products that are similar to grain filler?? Also , what does sand sealer do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foggy Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 Adding soap to the water, just a drop of oil free soap, will help prevent clogging of the sand paper. The risk you run is water entering some of the small holes causing the wood to swell and crack your finish. Wet sanding is not always the best option for a guitar. Interesting, I've heard mention of this problem with using wet sanding on guitars and have to say I've never experienced any problems at all with any of the guitars that I've worked on using wet sanding. By the time you've applied whatever primer/paint or finish you're then rubbing down with wet and dry, invariably that same primer/paint or finish has also sealed the wood in most small holes on the surface of the guitar anyway. By the time you get to the final stages of wet sanding a finish on a guitar, there will likely be at least two or three coats of paint and primer, plus your finish coat(s), which are more than enough to seal the small holes in the guitar surface. It may be that I've just been very lucky with all the guitars that I've worked on.................but I don't think so. Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Adrian Posted February 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 PS: Another question regarding grain filler and sanding sealer. I know that grain filler is used to cover wood pores, I still keep searching to buy one (In Romania, where i`m from), it is like a primer ? Some alternative products that are similar to grain filler?? Also , what does sand sealer do? what about grain filler and sanding sealer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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