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This was the 1st result when i googled "yamaha 2 coil soapbars"

http://www.talkbass.com/reviews/showproduct.php?product=1136

For some reason i can't copy and past from talkbass.com???

anyways, your problem is explained in the 4th paragraph of the review.

same here on the copy and paste.

anyway. I can understand the hum now somewhat. I didn't know that they split the coils like that inside a 2 coil soapbar.

seen it on larger single coils for 5'ers and 6'ers. but not the soapbars.

so is there any way to add extra grounding or something to the pups to fix this? or is it just something I'll have to live with and always play with the blend knob centered?

thanks for that review find

sounds like they're single coils which cancel hum when combined....

Yeah.

No. dual (neck/bridge) yamaha 2 coil soapbars. haven't pulled the preamp out yet but I did get in there to check for lose/shorted wires. none found. hope to find something when I pull it apart. it has to be a ground somewhere in there.

just got a yamaha RBXJM bass. active electronics. the problem is, when the pup blend knob is centered the bass is good to go and dead quite, start to pan in either direction and what sounds like a ground hum starts to come through. hum is equal when panned to either side. 1/4" input needs to be replaced for starters as it cuts in and out with some movement.

but can't track down this hum...

Who cares,Josh...it is obvious "gonzo" is nothing more than an overly aggressive guy with nothing to do...as with all others like him,I am sure he pulls his head in in the real world as soon as things get rough...

I don't...I am(believe it or not) a whole lot less aggressive on the net than in person...on the net I will back off just because there is no use in bothering...face to face I will back you up on your heels before you even knw you pissed me off.

That is what I find most interesting on the net...I have coined my own phrase...want to hear it?

"nerd tough"...definition...ballsy as hell on the web to make up for a complete lack of spine in real life...

Anyway...Avenger has it right...

I invite you to join me in leaving this topic to the bitter ramblings of the original poster...As I have said before...I have plenty of friends and not enough enemies...regardless of future and recent platitudes I dislike this man's lack of style..

Forget it Avenger...some people are beyond help...I think Killemall...oops,GONZO is one of them.

OMG , now who's being touchy.

I offer a few simple posts to explain and all of a sudden its demonized into something its not! LOL

you asked if I agreed, and I did up to a point. whats wrong with that?

you thought I was natrually hot headed and argumentative and I agreed! LOL whats the problem? LOL

nothing in those posts to offend anyone.

oh well.

I'll talk to everyone the next time I have a question. and I'll spell it out in simple form so as to not confuse anyone.

all though PSW doesn't seem to have that problem, God bless his Aussie soul

""""Anyway..I don't care...but don't post asking an opinion if you are not ready for ALL opinions...agreed?""""

I can agree to a point with that, but I didn't ask for all opinions, I asked for those who knew!

but I'm arguing now if you don't know, don't answer. I know I know, wheres the fun in that. LOL

""""You come across as a bit of a troll...but I think you are just naturally hot tempered and argumentative...but so am I...but for the record I could kill you in a debate...that is clear..ask anyone who was here before my hiatus three years ago.""""

By the way...Bass amps have to be higher wattage to produce the same volume of a lower watt guitar amp...because of the heavier speakers,etc...

Or did you think they just put out those high watt amps for no reason?

this is true, thats why I opted for a PA system as a bass amp instead of a regular bass amp...

finished the rig last month, its a bone crusher.

Sansamp PSA preamp

TC Electronic triple C compresser

BBE 882

2- Digitech Quads. multi-effects

FCB1010 midi pedal

2-QSC amps

2-118 cabs

2-410 cabs

all for the glory of Warwick lowend,,,

Steinberger did a similar thing with graphite guitars...but they lacked alittle soul and all came out of the same mold.

Actually they lack alot of soul...I ordered one back at that time....it was dead as Prince's fashion sense...

+1

I've had a Steinberger since 1989 and I almost never play it anymore. I never really liked the EMGs they put in them either. They're just as soul-less. Just as importantly, their neck is very narrow.

Listen gonzo... if you're looking to start a fight, Wes isn't the right one to start one with. You asked for opinions from anyone with any exlerience. He told you what experience he had, then gave you his opinion.

I DO have esperience with graphite necks. $300+ is way overpriced and the tone is sterile. A better way for you to spend your money is on a tutor for grammar, punctuation, and message-board etiquette.

Welcome to Reading Comprehension 101, please take your seats!

oh lord, here we go again... first off Westhemann never said he had experience with the necks at the start of this topic.

"""go back and read it for yourself"""

he said he looked at the site a few years ago and then just recently looked again when I posted the topic...thats all he said about it,, so I questioned him and we got started on this whole thing. while at the same time saying thats all the experience he had. he never said he owned a guitar with this type neck!!!

when he was asked if the web site was all that he knew about it, he comfirmed with a yes!

I asked for people who knew and at that time he made it clear that he did "not". his most recent post shows that he does have some experience with the necks as "he ordered one back at that time",,,so why didn't he just say that???? and it would have been done and over with.

I would have taken his advise, I had no reason to doubt him as he has been here for awhile. I find his post to be infomative most the time and have never seen him post like this before.

did he just want to start crap??,, maybe he was board and wanted a flame war just for the hell of it...I don't know..

Westhemann has gotten over it and so have I. as we have not flamed each other since then. why do you feel the need to come to his rescue? he's a big boy and we have let it pass. get over it.

as far as opinion goes, I did accept someone's on this topic. PSW, thank you. his opinion was infomative and presented well. right to the point, with comparatives of old and new technologies. why was this so hard for everyone else?

as a result, I did not buy the bass in question.

LOL,,, a tutor for grammer, punctuation.

message board etiquette????????????

why, so I can look down my nose at you like you are doing to me.. when you can't even comprehend what you read!!

sorry I'm not stuck on myself that much.

by the way, spend some of your money on those lessons yourself.. its "experience",,,not "esperience" as you spelled it!!!

in the interest of letting this die and be done, I will let you have the last word on it if you choose.

lets see just how good your etiquette is!

can you admit when you are wrong? I won't say another word on it..

Thank you

P.S.

Westhemann, if we have gotten off on the wrong foot I am sorry about that.

fight fight fight fight fight!

s that the extent of your Moses facts, a web site????

yup...said that before right here...

But other than that,I have no opinion..except they look like they suck.

I guess Rotosound bass strings would be out of the question for you also as they tent to run 30% higher then the aveage string price

No..those are good strings...and they are no uglier than any other bass string..

what about Gibson, Hamer, RIC, Fender, and on and on,,, are all these overpriced wood products just not up to your standards???

sometimes...mostly I think I have not met a bass player yet that is up to my standards...you have not changed my opinion of them either

If I were you,I would buy the cheapest one of those basses,as basses really don't matter tonewise anyway....that is why we guitarists turn the volume of you guys down....It really IS the best thing since you guys rarely know what key the song is in anyway.

I wrote a bass line once...it made me feel all dirty...I had to shower and then I burned the bass...them my fingers for stooping so low as to touch a bass in the first place.

LOL, I take it that you rarely have anything worth saying at all after all that crap!...

I'm lucky that I'm a bass player and have amp means to lay waste to any guitar rig known to man. a few little twangy 100w tube amps don't scare me LOL ,,, I'm sure it reflects other small things in your life, come on over to the dark side and see what a 2000 watts QSC rig will do for you,

you once wrote a bass line,,, most fairy tales start like that,,, once upon a time!! as in most cases guitar players just can't handle writing bass lines. they can only handle 20-30 seconds at a time of indepenence as opposed to the bass which is indepenent for the whole song..

"""" sometimes...mostly I think I have not met a bass player yet that is up to my standards...you have not changed my opinion of them either """"

LOL thinking,, that must be a fairly new concept for you,,

well, thats the whole deal about being a bass player,,, we compete against only ourselfs and seek not the approval of others. the only concern we have is the drum player,,, guitarist who??? we really don't need them...and find that most of them to be more over rated then the david lee roth wanta be singers...

the cost of a primadonna guitar player would surely equal that of the whole west germany Warwick plant..LOL

talk about overpriced ,LOL which brings us right back to square one of your first rant. the fact that you know nothing and need to let the world see this part of you!!! excuse me sir,,is that your ignorance showing? please tuck it in! LOL

so lets get back to square one,,, moses. you looked at the site years ago and now again recently. you never have played a guitar with a Moses neck or a Moses made guitar, but you wish to say that they are junk or whatever word you choose.

how did you reach this conclusion? based on what?,,, a friend of a friend of a friend!!! the price? like I said the necks are just about the same price as the US fender necks. not much more then a top Warmoth neck..

are we to come to the conclusion then from this logic, that the guitars you build are also junk as you would not even think of buying quality parts cause they are over priced? I mean I'm sure that a $5 30 year old rusty bridge would be just as good as a new tun-o-matic. I could see how using pine for the bodies would save you a few dimes even if they don't sound right,,,LOL

So in other words,you already made up your mind and don't REALLY want to hear opinions unless they agree?

I can't believe more people here are not familar with the moses products.

Oh yeah...we are familiar with Moses and with the concept of graphite necks.I looked carefully at their products years ago,when all they had on site was necks,no instruments....and I discarded the idea years ago too.

I see from visiting the site nothing has changed and the prices have not gone down on the necks...and they are still ugly.

no I have not made up my mind, as I have run up on 3 different deals for basses in the past 2 weeks. I'm trying to make a choice as I don't have the money to buy all 3,,LOL

1st is a west germany 02 Warwick corvette std fretless 4 string I found for $500.

2nd is an 07 RIC 4003 played maybe twice as I know the guy selling it, $1000..

and last is this Moses fretless jazz bass which the price is up in the air at the moment, but looking like it could be had for around $300-$500...

all 3 are great deals money wise.. but I do like the Moses necks as I did play one before....overpriced neck?? maybe but still in line with a new usa fender jazz neck price wise..

yes I wanted opinions from people who might have been lucky enough to play one of the Moses built guitars. I guess thats where the use of the word "review" would come in. I mean I could go to any chat room and hear from 1000+ people who have clicked on their web page and said, "over priced" not worth it..... is that the extent of your Moses facts, a web site???? I guess Rotosound bass strings would be out of the question for you also as they tent to run 30% higher then the aveage string price,,,lol what about Gibson, Hamer, RIC, Fender, and on and on,,, are all these overpriced wood products just not up to your standards??? LOL

Umm..well I just went to their website...and I have to say those guitars and basses look hugely overpriced.They have zero aesthetic appeal.

But other than that,I have no opinion..except they look like they suck.

well, no more over priced then most other companies. gibson, I know all about over priced basses as I have 2 Warwicks,, lol

Moses guitars are over priced as they are hard to come by. they don't make them for retail sale, customs only.

I've played for 30+ years and never have seen one in person.

aesthetics are truely in the eye of the beholder,,, a jazz bass is a jazz bass no matter who makes it as far as looks go. but what appeals to most are the little things that are done. a neck through jazz is rare for anyone to build. built it out of walnut adds more. the Bartolini's don't hurt either...LOL

I can't believe more people here are not familar with the moses products. they have been around for a long time. their used necks sell for $$$ on ebay if your lucky enough to even get a chance to bid on them.

is i stuppid idea, to glue into neck pocket bolt on neck and shape the heel, so it looks like set neck?

sounds odd but could be done, why? is a good question. "maybe" looking for a little more sustain??? maybe.. if thats the case I would convert it to a string through the body first, before taking on a set neck conversion..

I'm aware of Moses graphite necks but I have never even seen a Moses built guitar before. I knew they made them but never see them. So does anyone here know about their guitars and basses. good quality????

the reason I ask is that I found a Moses fretless jazz bass NT in an auction. so I'm wanting to get some review of them.

Thanks

Erik,

what your turn around time?????

Thanks

I have decided to go with a dye job on my Hamer Blitz bass custom restore project.. also I have decided to take the bass to a whole new world. I will convert it to an 8 string bass,, 2 way truss and graphite rods will be in stalled next week!!!!

after much reading I'm a little lost here on the pore filler when using dyes..

should I pore fill before or after the dye job?????

which filler is best for a non coloring effect or darkening effect???

I was looking on the LMI site, saw some filler paste that is Mahogany colored that I could use before the dye. any opinions on that stuff????

anyway. I'm shooting for a light black cherry dye color with tru oil finish!! should be an odd look!!

Thanks

time for a mock up of how its going to look

looking good, this one needs a new name. it started as a kelly. but you went with the explorer. but it still has some kelly look to it, the lower horn under the neck is kelly length. too long to be an explorer... this is gonna be awesome when you finish

i dont have a meter, nor know where to get one. and i dont have anyone else to check my wiring for me. i thought you meant the wires around the pots and stuff. ive tried the quick connects both ways, right side up and upside down. niether made a difference.

meters are cheap enough at any radio shack, anywhere I guess from $25 on up. your best bet is a meter and time. you'll have test each component to see if any are faulty. back to square one

Go to the HFC and ask - someone will have one or, if you want a complete set, check on Ebay as Alpep has a load that he brought when the factory moved and he often list's them.

Oh, just going on from what Mattia said the machineheads are standard Schaller so you can always go and buy a Schaller branded one - no one will notice from 6 inches away.

I'll check on ebay, see if I can find Alpep. will also check HFC. Yeah Hamer replied to me and said they are using standard Schaller machines now. I wonder if that little back plate with the Hamer name on it will pop off without damage?

I assume you mean the post that the string wraps around is bent. Or you could mean the shaft that the turning knob is on. In either case, why/how did it get bent ? I would think the first attempt to bend back would work with the tuner still on the neck. If a hollow metal tube fits over the shaft, maybe do that to bend it back.

I have only taken sealed tuners apart because they were beyond repair and I wanted to salvage some parts.

yeah its the shaft with the tuning knob thats bent. how and why its bent is unknown as I picked this bass up as a total wreck for restore. the chrome is peeling off.. you can search for Hamer blitz bass threads and see the condition it was in when I first got it, and also see it as it is now. I still have a way to go on this restore..

Well, I once jammed a thin flathead into the back disc on a gotoh, popped the sucker right out. All you need then is unscrew the gear from the shaft and your done. It's really straight forward.

On a related note, I have a black gotoh bass tuner with a snapped shaft for parts if anyone needs it...

I will see if the back plate will pop off. thats basicly the part I need the most for the Hamer brand on it. if it pops off I can buy new Schallers and which the back plates.

thanks for the help people

anyone ever try to take apart a sealed machine head and fix it. this is for my 86 Hamer Blitz Bass restore project.

on one of the machine heads the shaft is bent. I emailed Hamer and there not branding there machine heads with their name anymore so I can't get a replacement for it...options????????

i think turning the volume down on the actives would work well, maybe a marker to show where it should be.

I'll give it a try. I had thought of it awhile ago but the difference in output was so big that I never tryed it.

my Warwick bass(passive) shows around -20 to -26 (digital) on the input meter on the comp. bass controls wide open, input knob on comp between 3/4 and full open.

the active 5 string shows around -6 to -10 on the comp(digital), bass control wide open, input knob on comp between 1/4 and 1/2 up.

up to this point I have been dialing in the comp input for each bass. I have different presets for each bass but the input is not saved with the presets. I just thought that the difference in output was too big and I would lose some tone, but I'll give it a try.

well if you want to keep the 4 basses, why not turn the volume knob down on the active ones to match the passive one. you could even tape the knobs to keep equal output. being active also means that you wont lose the higher frequencies through the vol pot.

no offence, but you seem to be avoiding the simple answers. you shouldnt need 4 instruments to play a gig in most cases. do the guitarist(s) have 4 instruments each for the gig as well?

if you are really looking for a reason to upgrade the rig, then upgrade it, but i think most people should play a gig with one instrument that can play all their stuff. having more is just silly imo.

oh yeah the bass rig will be upgraded. not looking for a reason to do it. its shot and barely keeps up with lead guitarist's Splawn amp.

as far as the gigs go, we are a cover band so we do cover alot of different tunings. if we did nothing but our own music then yes I would have just one bass.

my singer/guitarist uses 4 guitars. lead guitarist carries no less then 6 guitars to every show. all 6 are tuned different..

I keep it to 3-4 as I can make it work.

simple answers are always out there I agree, but not always the best for everyone. I guess I'm looking for the single electronic push button answer, no knobs to turn , just kick it and go kind of thing.

OK, I must be missing something.

So your lowest note is drop-A, which you play on a 5-banger with a Hipshot detuner. Fine.

Now....why can't you just play everything on THAT bass?

So what if you're not on the same part of the fretboard as your strangely-tuned guitarist....so what? Just learn where the notes are on YOUR instrument and let the guitar players try to keep up!

Heck...you could even take that same drop-A tuning and move it to a 4-string...just drop the last string (which is more like a guitar string anyway, right?).

Think more like a musician and less like an engineer.

no, your not missing much.. I'm just not a fan of the big bass necks. its not the nut width that gives me trouble, its the thickness of the neck front to back. after playing 4 stringers for 25 years it just seems wrong,,LOL I'm just an old fart set in my ways so to speak,,LOL,, more then 4 strings and using guitar picks, your not playing bass,,,LOL

what I'm working towards is,,

I have my Warwick bass for E and drop D.

the Hamer Blitz bass restore that I'm working on now will be for D and drop C

and then my next restore, a 84 Ibanez Destroyer bass will be setup as B and drop A. just using the top 4 string from a 5 string set.

as the restores go forward I'll have make the electronics match up "somewhat", but still leave room for some tonal differences. I will go all passive which will put me in the same area as far as output goes. then find a preamp that will let me program the difference out of them, or something like that..

right now like with all projects money is a factory. everything is coming up on me at this point in time. bass rig is due to be replaced as its about 20 years old and could stand to sound better, its pretty shot.. gotta get my taxes done to see what I have to play with for all projects.

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Gud Luk!!

LOL,,LOL,,,LOL its funny how your IQ drops with each post...you still don't understand what a forum is!!!!

OK, I must be missing something.

So your lowest note is drop-A, which you play on a 5-banger with a Hipshot detuner. Fine.

Now....why can't you just play everything on THAT bass?

So what if you're not on the same part of the fretboard as your strangely-tuned guitarist....so what? Just learn where the notes are on YOUR instrument and let the guitar players try to keep up!

Heck...you could even take that same drop-A tuning and move it to a 4-string...just drop the last string (which is more like a guitar string anyway, right?).

Think more like a musician and less like an engineer.

no, your not missing much.. I'm just not a fan of the big bass necks. its not the nut width that gives me trouble, its the thickness of the neck front to back. after playing 4 stringers for 25 years it just seems wrong,,LOL I'm just an old fart set in my ways so to speak,,LOL,, more then 4 strings and using guitar picks, your not playing bass,,,LOL

what I'm working towards is,,

I have my Warwick bass for E and drop D.

the Hamer Blitz bass restore that I'm working on now will be for D and drop C

and then my next restore, a 84 Ibanez Destroyer bass will be setup as B and drop A. just using the top 4 string from a 5 string set.

as the restores go forward I'll have make the electronics match up "somewhat", but still leave room for some tonal differences. I will go all passive which will put me in the same area as far as output goes. then find a preamp that will let me program the difference out of them, or something like that..

right now like with all projects money is a factory. everything is coming up on me at this point in time. bass rig is due to be replaced as its about 20 years old and could stand to sound better, its pretty shot.. gotta get my taxes done to see what I have to play with for all projects.

If the nature of your problem is just the output levels of your different basses, then the simplest solution would be to adjust the output levels of the instruments to all be the same. Because it seems that some are passive and some active, this will have to be done in a passive manner to suit the passive basses.

Find the "quietest" bass on maximum volume, and adjust the volume controls on the others to match this volume level. Now measure the volume pot with a multimeter between top to centre and between centre to ground. Then get a new volume control of the value of the measurement between centre and ground and a resistor of the value of the measurement between top and centre. Replace the volume control with the new one, and wire the resistor between the wire that came from the top of the old volume control and the top of the new volume control.

What this mod will do is effectively restrict the maximum volume on the louder basses to the level of the quietest. Remember, the vaules of the new parts you buy don't have to exactly match the measurements, you just have to be close.

Hope this makes some sense. There are other things you could try such as adjusting pickup heights etc which will also change the output levels, but may change the sound too.

that is a way to go. I'm handy with the solder iron but know nothing about electronics unless it is spelled out for me,,LOL

I have the multi meter but basicly only use it to find shorts and stuff like that.

I did try to change the pickup heights and it helped but it did change the tones also as you mentioned.

I'll look into this.