Cult Classic

very very nice so far. one day i would love to build an acoustic!

i really like that so far, great work and look forward to the outcome!

nobody know?

psw. i have that ultimate guitar book. some interesting stuff in there including the cornflakes box guitar, hahaha.

thanks so far, theyre all avalible on amazon. i better get saving! (just bought a new mobile phone so completely broke atm) feel free to post up more

Hello all.

Seeing as im a newbie to the guitar world, and i really dont know much. i would like to nerd up on guitars with the help of books or internet sites and the like. a lot of the time, i dont know what people are on about half the time on here!

do you lot have any reccomendations as to what books i should purchase or sites i should read? (im in the UK by the way, so british book sites if possible)

i want to learn about pretty much everything bar the history, learning about the history isnt going to really end up helping me end up building a nice guitar for myself.

many thanks for reading.

Jono.

ok this isnt my guitar, but the guitar in the pics is identical to mine. well, its actually my mums. but its the first guitar i learnt on, and i love it for the fact its of 70s vintage. (i think my mum got it new in around 1974.)

http://www.bruunari.nl/pics/bl_111_pic2.jpg

http://www.bruunari.nl/pics/bl_111_pic3.jpg

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http://www.bruunari.nl/pics/bl_111_pic5.jpg

is it worth anything? are they considered to be any good?

im just curious about it thats all.

to be honest. i think im going to go all jimmy page and just play about. i may not have much money but ill do it over time.

this has been a help. and i thank you all for helping.

so for now im fine, im just going to mod my guitars and im hoping to build one when i can afford a slab of wood big enough.

thanks all

Jono.

anybody got info on this? that thing above looks interesting but i dont know how affective it would be...

After discovering the fender custom shop police lead guitarists guitar, with an inbuild gain knob, and today finding a treble booster pedal youtube demonstration, its got me thinking. seeing as treble boosters cost a lot of money (i mean a lot) im thinking of incorporating a treble booster into the guitar.

stealth style perhaps using a push pull pot in place of the tone knob (this would most likely be in a les paul in a future build)

Yes...an award...we'll call it a "talkie"....

Your carpal tunnel must be out of control...

if i could afford a marshall plexi, i would have one. i got offered one for dirt cheap money but my mum couldnt "justify" paying that much for an amp as a christmas present, and i didnt have the money, so i had to let it go. (she hasnt looked at the real prices has she!).

i have considered changing the speaker, because iv heard that it can change the sound, but i dont wanna ruin it. and that can wait anyway.

i think you should be nominated for an award. if people on the car forum i was on, gave answers like you, no mini (classic) in the land would have a problem.

psw dude, you have completely changed my outlook. i actually cant thank you enough. i might as well keep all my guitars, and simply modify them. its so much simpler. i may just get myself a squier tele (look i spelled it right!) be it a good one, that someone reccomends. perhaps get it off one of the for sale threads on here if theres one going.

that was a very good explanation. thankyou. you are very right on that matter, the effects are overdone if im honest, as you said.

you can get some really good 80s sounds out of the VT, but im after a sort of clean folky overdrive kind of sound. its VERY hard to explain. only a few people probably know what im on about. if you listen to "good times bad times" you will hear that at the beginning, there is a very powerful rocky overdriven sound, but all the overdrive i get is too gritty and powerful. im looking for something you can notice, but isnt in your face.

i do like lots of different kinds of music, anything from disturbed, to sum41, to blink-182. but when it comes to playing there is only one tone that will do it for me. and its that magical zep tone.

sorry if i've wound anybody up so far, i really dont know what im doing. theres so much to learn.

i might be in luck. i'v been fiddling. i think a fuzztone pedal could be in order, if they still exist. i seem to have got a pretty retro sound, its just a bit heavy on the gain. its hard to explain, but the gain doesnt seem to fit, so at the moment its very acousticy.

im fine with what i have. im just chasing tone at this very moment in time and are dabbling in building another guitar.

i have use of a friends router. so im fine in that category. but i would rather build a good guitar before i actually think about making one.

well yes i understand that. im not looking to sound exactly like him. im just after his guitar tone.

thanks so far.

ok so maybe i am, but im just trying to play it safe, by looking for the stuff they once used. i havnt got the money to be pissing about buying everything thats wrong, and i cant afford a marshall for that "marshall crunch" sound.

both. if im honest.

so would it be better to build one from scratch? meaning i would buy the body because im not quite capable yet.

do you think it would be safer to just buy a body and work up? i like a brand written on the headstock thats all, and i cant do that with something i build.

GENIOUS MOMENT!.

okay, i was listening to zep 1, and was thinking "didnt page use some illusive amp on this?" then i realised that yes he did.. it being a supro one.

iv been looking it up, and have found this

Jimmy Page's Supro - The Zeppelin I wonder-amp:

It is usually said that Page used the Supro model 1624TN model, because that is the only "12 model of that era of Supro amplifiers. However, for starters, I have played these amps, which utilize 6973 output tubes and my ear told me years ago that this model is not Page’s tone - too bright and too gritty - very akin to how el84 tubes color tone. The reason that the Supro 1624TN model has led many down the wrong path is because everyone has only had Page’s words to go on, as he had consistently stated in interviews it was “a little Supro amp” with a 12” speaker. This is where the confusion stems from. But, that's not were the absolute proof is of course - that is soon to follow here. It's based on the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame showcase of the Led Zeppelin I Supro.

As displayed at the museum, Page used a different model Supro - one with an aftermarket 12" installed on a custom baffle-board. The cabinet style is specific to the dual-6L6 Supros - model years '58 and '59. This era Supro is built with the narrow top panel, as opposed to the wide panel seen on the high-end models of '60 - '62. The control panel type on this amp was available on only two amp models: the 1624TN and the 1690TN. Yet, one can readily deduce Page’s actual amp model with the facts presented here: The dimensions are approximately 21.5" x 18" - the very dimensions of the 1690TN Coronado. I have done some scale conversions with a "12 speaker as reference, and this indicated that Page's amp absolutely had a retrofit 12" speaker and CUSTOM baffle-board installed, as the stock speaker configuration is 2x10”. It's also worth noting that the picture-taker of Page's Supro personally witnessed the dual-6L6 tube configuration in back of the amp.

Additionally, to me Zeppelin I does indeed sounds like a 6L6 tube type amp, however there is a little more edge than the standard Supro 6L6 tone. This added "edge" is likely due to the fact that he replaced the stock 2x10" configuration with that single 12", so that single speaker is really being pummeled. And, I believe that therein lies some of the magic that can bring "Communication Breakdown" and "Good Times Bad Times" (a key aside is almost all of the other distortion on Zeppelin I is “Tonebender” fuzz overdrive). That is about 24 watts of power hitting what is probably a 15 watt speaker. Lastly, in support of this speaker change, is the fact that the baffle-board and grill cloth pictured are not original spec. All of this information adds up to the Page Supro having to be the 1690TN "Coronado" with a custom baffle-board and 12" speaker installed.

I speculate this is why Page has usually been quite open about admitting his Supro had a 12" speaker in interviews – it’s likely that his knowing that his Supro was customized meant that any search for his sacred amp and tone would be fruitless. This is a key consideration, for Page has always striven to obscure the technical aspects of his tone and maintained an element of mystery (as he rightly should IMO) by often stating conflicting information in interviews, claiming to have forgotten, or giving vague answers in the past. Of course, you won't necessarily sound exactly like Page with this amp. Page's hands and genius are 90% of that tonal equation. But, it's a great starting point...

@ Michael Duddles

do these supro amps pop up on the internet at all? or are they all rare as hens teeth, in which case i was hoping i could replicate one by building it.

with the right info on spec ect.

thanks.

Jono.

Edit

ok i just looked on ebay and they are all STUPID money, theres none in britain, and they arent the kind im on about.

anyone got specs?

oh thanks for the info!. i was looking at the affinity series and wondered if they would be any good. obviously not then.

all the ones on ebay seem to be affinity ones. best steer clear of those ones then!