dope_maggot Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 Hi everyone... I have an Ibanez RG270, this was my very first guitar, and till recently it was in very poor conditions. I decided I should rebuild this guitar, and actually make something worthy out of it. I already begun by getting a new bridge, since the floyd was really worn, bolts where stripped, and what not. I just dumped the original pickups (really bad quality and hums only had 2 conductors) and got some "decent" hums I wasnt using from my Jackson (RR1 Roads), which are: # BRIDGE PICKUP: Duncan Designed® HB-103B Humbucking Pickup # NECK PICKUP: Duncan Designed® HB-103N Humbucking Pickup Both with 4 conductors, yet nothing great. I was thinking in making the usual Ibanez wiring for the RG's ( http://ibanez.com/wiring/wire.asp?y=2002&w=RG270 ), but getting 2 push/pull pots to be able to switch the hums between (par/ser). Like I wanted to replace my single coil, I ended up with some HotRails from Seymour... I never realize I was actually throwing another humbucker into the scheme, and this was gonna kinda break my H-S-H wiring I had in mind. I've been looking for wiring mods using 3 hums, but I found non... =S I'm looking for a way to wire my pickups, and get a kinda flexible system, something like... from my Hums to "strat-like" sound... But I've been wondering how complex can the wiring scheme get with 3 hums, since Im no wiring expert, I do fear complex connections. =S And in the end, I dont know if doing lots of combinations with 3hums are actually worth it, I've read 3 hums are actually not a good idea, and using more than 2 hums at the same time, can kill the sustain terribly. I've also read that many phasing combinations are actually worthless, although some people like em. I thought of setting the HotRail in series, and leaving it just as the middle "single coil" in the H-S-H scheme and just playing with my hums using the push/pull pots, to get them in series/parallel modes, just like in this scheme ( http://www.projectguitar.com/tut/madsci/12wayguitarswitch.JPG ). I find it as a good option, what do you guys think? =\ But I dont know if playing with the Hotrails is acutally the key to get a more flexible scheme, instead of the hums. I'm still about to get the wiring hardware... and havent buy a thing. I dont know if a 4-pole 5-way is actually worth it. I guy told me to get a pair of DP3T (ON-ON-ON) switches, but there's actually not that much space left in my wiring cavity, and I'm not in the mood to pierce my guitar that much... So I'm basicaly down to think of getting a 4-pole 5-way, change the pots for push/pull pots, and MAYBEEE putting a DP3T between both pots. This is something I can afford, and something that still fits my system without doing big modifications to the body. I would greatly appreciate your advice in which wiring scheme would you guys recommend, since most of you have experience in this area. Thanks in advance. =) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert_the_damned Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 I'd say either go for what you were planning already with the series parallel thing or buy a 4pole 5 way and pick five useful pickup combinations and wire it up so it gives you them (I can help as I've done a fair few of these sorts of diagrams). or as a third option have the 4 pole 5 way and two push pull pots, one which taps two of the 'buckers and one that taps the third. Another option would be to have a 5 way that controlls the two main humbuckers and then have a push pull that adds the middle pickup and maybe another push pull that coil taps the middle humbucker (as the neck and bridge pickups could have coil taped possitions on the 5 way). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dope_maggot Posted November 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 First of all, thanks for the attention! Buy a 4pole 5 way and pick five useful pickup combinations and wire it up so it gives you them (I can help as I've done a fair few of these sorts of diagrams). Ummm I'm pretty down to basics when talking about circuits. I've read that you can do one hell of possible combinations with a 4pole 5way, but I dont really understand how these work. You need some kinds of DPDT's to be switching between them? What is the difference of a 4pole and a normal 5-way? I do realize you get more slugs to plug, yet you only have 5 positions to chose from... since you have 4 poles working in the same 5-way, how you switch between this configs? Another option would be to have a 5 way that controlls the two main humbuckers and then have a push pull that adds the middle pickup and maybe another push pull that coil taps the middle humbucker (as the neck and bridge pickups could have coil taped possitions on the 5 way). This one seems really interesting, sounds like you can get 5 nice possitions of a H-H scheme (One hum/tapped hums/both hums), and then add the middle... sounds like a great way to get everything in a simple way. Although again Im kinda lost when it comes to adding that middle pickup with the push/pull. I see perfectly what happens when you have one of the main hums selected, and you add the middle thru the push/pull, but I can't visualize what happens in the case where you are in a tapped position of the main hums, and then you add the middle, either tapped or not. I dont know if that would be creating some kind of "bad" connection. Dunnu, again Im wiring guru at all. =P I would definitely need your help on this. I'm not in a rush or anything like it, so if you are currently busy there's no prob at all... I can perfectly wait. =) The only thing I would like to know now, would be what should I get, so I can order it. This last option you talked about is the one I liked the most... I'm guessing from what you explained, that I just need a plain 5 way switch and 2 push/pull pots. Again thanks for everything, I appreciate it! =) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spazzyone Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 try this it shows three single coil sized hums but the same logic applies http://guitarelectronics.zoovy.com/product/WDUHHH5L1101 or check out all the other wiring options here http://guitarelectronics.zoovy.com/categor...pickupdiagrams/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dope_maggot Posted November 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 I was actually gonna finish doing something like that, cause it will give you decent flexibility. And its actually more simple than the last idea, giving similar results... Ummm, I'm having this idea of using this scheme http://guitarelectronics.zoovy.com/product/WDUHHH5L1101 and adding a pair of push/pull switches to make the hums switch from parallel to series. I guess this gives me much more different tone, than just tapping between coils... =\ Which do you guys think is a better idea to get a greater variaety of tones? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spazzyone Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 I was actually gonna finish doing something like that, cause it will give you decent flexibility. And its actually more simple than the last idea, giving similar results... Ummm, I'm having this idea of using this scheme http://guitarelectronics.zoovy.com/product/WDUHHH5L1101 and adding a pair of push/pull switches to make the hums switch from parallel to series. I guess this gives me much more different tone, than just tapping between coils... =\ Which do you guys think is a better idea to get a greater variaety of tones? add the push/pulls if thats what you need/want only you can decide that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dope_maggot Posted November 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 only you can decide that Indeed =) But I'm looking for a wiring scheme that gives me this classic (Ibanez H-S-H, with hums wired in series for high output, and coil tapping) with the possiblility of also getting a Strat like tone (Achieved with parallel switching). I dont know lots about wiring, thats why I actually need advice in how worthy can it be to go into complex wiring schemes using multiple pole switches together with DPTP's. And having 3 hums makes schemes complex enough for me to get lost in the way. Thxs for your replies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dope_maggot Posted December 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2006 Hi there! Sorry for replying back so late! =S I just finished final exams, and I was way too busy this last weeks to think about guitars. =P To Robert_the_damned: [i hate bothering you, since I know you have also been busy lately, but I would greatly appreciate if you could help me build the scheme of this wiring if you are able to.] I just bought the gear, I ended up getting the 4pole 5way switch, and 2 push/pull pots, with the idea of getting this pickup config (Or something close to it). At first I was ambitious enough to think of getting that config, plus parallel/series option on each of the hums using the DPDT pots, but maybe thats just to complex. I'm sorry if I'm just babbling nonsence, but I'm trying to undestand as much as I can, and get the wiring in my head, but I don't know at all how the 4 pole switch works... with my poor knowledge in electronics, I was thinking if the 4-pole switch needs a switch itself to decide which waffer its gonna use, since both waffers work at the same time. That would use one of my DPDT pots, and leave the other one to tap the hums... Here is a pair of pictures of the switch I got from guitarelectronics.com: Once again thx in advance, and I appreciate any help any of you guys can give. Cya soon, and happy holidays to all! Cheers =) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dope_maggot Posted December 30, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 Bumb... Anyone??? Help plz =( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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