Metasis Posted December 23, 2006 Report Share Posted December 23, 2006 (edited) EDIT: First post was HUGE because I did my introduction and then started talking in detail about various parts. I think it might put people off replying so solution! Going to bullet point the post very small right here and anyone who doesnt want to read the original can just skip the rest of the post xD Original post below bullets: - is the spray paint at this webpage suitable for a guitar job? just double checking - on the above page is "clear acrylic" the same as lacquer and clear coat that people mention to finish a paint job with? if not, what the clear sealer section? - for painting the simple stars in the design can anyone come up with a better idea than soaking a small artists brush in paint and flicking the bristles with your thumb to create a scatter/speckle effect? the stars dont have to be the same as on the design, that was just me clicking with a mouse whilst eating chicken - if the base coat is sprayed on (solid black) using the above type of spray paint, is there any particular type of paint i should use for the stars and fine detailing the stencil designs? - how many coats of solid black? just until theres absolutly no primer showing through or do a set number regardless of what the eye says for "good measure"? - if i have to put multiple coats of black on will I then have to worry about multiple coats of paint for the stencils? - finally, i've seen some ppl talk about sanding things back down between coats of paint and clear. nessiary? or do all the painting, apply all the layers of clear and THEN sand? Thanks! -Dave ORIGINAL POST: (skip it if its too long) Hey guys, just come for a bit of advice about my first project. Will try and keep post size down but I do have a tendancy to waffle on - sorry about that xD found your site some time ago and have been following various projects and stuff with great interest. It all seems like alot of fun and i've always liked working with my hands (I designed and built most of the wood work in this room - monitor docks and tv/entertainment stand with dvd racks etc etc) so i've finally decided to give this a go. Although one day I would love to try and build my own guitar from scratch I simply cannot commit the amount of money to do it "right" at the moment - but refinishing a guitar, ahah There was no way I was going to tear apart and try on an expensive guitar for my first ever attempt though, so I picked up a beaten old thing off of ebay - this is what I got: Crafter stratocaster its missing its electronics but it was dirt cheap. my logic is if I ruin this then i've lost little more than £20 but if it turns into some sexy thing I can go buy some new electronics for it and probably end up with a guitar that is better than when it was first sold Anyway, onto buisness. First things first I may as well show one of the designs I have been working on. I took the ebay preview image and created paths around it in photoshop (vector art basically) and then scaled the path right up and used it as a template. I guestimated the relative size and shape of the scratch plate based off the screw holes for it on the guitar. For this design I intend to be working mainly with spray paint and stencils. This is not a finished design, but here: angel design Right. Now my ultimate aim is to have a smooth and high gloss finish. The type of spray paint I have easy access to here in england is plastikote via B&Q - the local store seems to mainly stock the Super range which is: plasti-kote super page i'm presuming this will be fine for the job? My question is about the different types they do. Matt, satin and gloss. Now i know I want a gloss finish but I also know I will be applying several layers of clear sealer/laquer after which has a shine all to itself. I have never done this type of thing before so i'm wondering, would gloss paint and a shiney top coat be like.. not nice in some way? too blinding? or shall I just go gloss gloss gloss all the way? XD Now about painting the whole thing - the design may look a bit complex especially for a first timer, but i'm hoping this is not the case. Originally I wanted to burst a black edge to a VERY dark blue middle but platikote do not do a blue dark enough for my tastes so i'm going for solid black. The stars I want to ask about - my first instinct for making a starry background on the guitar would be, after applying the solid black coat, to get a small paint brush and cover it in white paint and slowly flick the bristles with my thumb to create scatters/speckles? would that be ok or is there a better idea for making stars? If that is okay then I want some paint that is not in a spray can. What sort of paint should I use for this sort of task? I mean like, can I just head to the shed and pull out an old tin of white paint I did the house wall with last year? XD the moon and the angel and the cross are all stencils (all but the cross are multiply layered of course). The moon i've pretty much finished but the angel still needs alot of work before shes stencil-ready. I have been converting a CG image you see. Most of the work is lays in actually creating the stencil itself - after that its just a case of keeping the stencil still on the guitar body whilst i spray or roll over it xD Thats why I think I can get away with such an ambitious looking design as the complexity will lay in designing and cutting out the stencil properly - which i can take as many goes at as i need Obviously creating the stencil meant totally reducing the colours but whilst doing this I began to think, after i've sprayed the stencil on maybe I could go over with a small brush and add some detail to her? if this is acceptable then same question as before, what sort of paint to use for brushing on fine detail? does it matter? FINALLY (told you I waffle, sorry ><) I just want to make sure I understand the procedure and how many coats of what. First job when the guitar finally arrives will be to get the sticker off and strip the paint. I have a palm sander, a precision sander is availiable from my neighbour to borrow and I also own a heat gun so i'll follow the tutorials for those two seperate methods and see what i'm most comfortable with (will accept advice on prefered methods however). Then I intend to coat it in primer and here my certainty is begining to wave a bit because it seems different people in different places all have a different amount of coats of stuff they wish to apply depending on what exact style and finish they are going for! i'm presuming that I just need to apply primer until its all noticiably covered? Of course, after sanding the body I may wish to apply some sort of sealer - the guitar has not yet arrived so no idea what type of wood its made of. Then I will spray the body solid black. Now its my understanding that I should apply at least four coats of black - is that correct? maybe a bit more? or less? XD Some people seem to talk about applying two coats, sanding it down, applying another 2, sanding it down.. ad infinitum - is that nessiary? Or should I just follow the spray paints instructions of "just leave 5 minutes between coats" ? Then comes the fine detail. First the stars seem like the most logical choice - I already mentioned how I intend to do those. Then the stencils. Now i'm wondering - if the black needed X amount of coats.. what about the stencils? because they are on top of black will it only need one coat per stencil layer or am I thinking about this all wrong? Obviously I will make sure the black has dried completely (not just touch dry) before applying stencils (unless someone says otherwise) but just exactally what I should be preparing to do with the stencils i'm a little uncertain of. Finally, the gloss lacquer - I get confused here because on the plastikote website and indeed when I was in b&q I could not find anything labled laqcuer. But I do see things like "clear acrylic" and "clear sealer" (the latter having a description of "Water-based Clear Sealers provide a deep, rich durable coating in gloss, satin or matt finishes.") which all sounds about right - is it just different names for the same thing? I am VERY sorry for the waffling on here and also if I have asked things readilly availiable in forums or tutorials already. Just I spent so long reading a ton of different techniques that i've actually confused myself unsure of which way is right for what I intend! So I thought I better ask you experts because although the guitar was cheap I would still like this to work out okay Hopfully this is the start of a new hobby for me! Thankyou for your time -Dave Edited December 24, 2006 by Metasis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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