monkey69962000 Posted August 7, 2004 Report Share Posted August 7, 2004 ok im sorry. Well im new and want to learn this faster thats all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biohazard Posted August 7, 2004 Report Share Posted August 7, 2004 Well unfortunately there is no fast way to do it. And asking everyone else wont speed up the process. They wont read stuff for you and give you all the answers on a plate which is what you are trying to get. You seem eager, just read stuff through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psw Posted August 7, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2004 Thanks Bio But don't be put off trying stuff anyway... When I was a kid...I got it into my head that if you spun an electric motor to create electricity (using it as a generator) if you connected it to another motor it could provide enough power to keep itself spinning...world power problems solved! Well I made it and learn't that there are other factors involved (such as friction) but I only found that out once my brilliant idea failed and I looked to find out why. The point is no one is to young or inexperienced to try stuff out or to contribute. The questions of people such as yourself often go to the fundumentals of a problem and make people rethink their original concepts. It's from there that inspiration is born. However Bio is right, no one can hand the solution to the unknown and many things can't be made without the will to fail, experience, the equipment and cash! If you have the cash and you want a pickup right, then go out and buy one, making it yourself wont be any better and will be a lot more expensive. If you want to create something new and you cant buy it then its a long road and a lot of work keep up the interest psw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psw Posted August 7, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2004 No, no matt Not off the subject at all - the post says "sustainer ideas" my project just hijacked it a little...heh heh just read back through your posts a little... Good stuff...with your driver, how does the battery hold up with the current it's drawing? Sounds like you'd need to plug it into the wall!!! Also what happens when you play a chord or more than one note... Does it respond fairly evenly across the range or are some notes better than others? If you want to see a funny experience check out the first post on this thread, I almost did a Hendrix at Monterey... cheers psw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psw Posted August 7, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2004 Anyone made, or have links to individual undersaddle piezo pickups (say for a strat). I may need a system of hex pickups for the hex drivers if LK and me can't splitt the signal electronically... Must be individual pickups for each string... Also...most recent Hex Driver Pic last post page 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biohazard Posted August 8, 2004 Report Share Posted August 8, 2004 That latest pic looks cool psw. I can see your very proud of it too (mass advertising on each of your posts lol). Whats the smaller version like? Just the same but smaller? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkey69962000 Posted August 8, 2004 Report Share Posted August 8, 2004 IS this what your looking for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psw Posted August 8, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2004 Is it just me or is monkey's link going nowhere? Thanks Bio, yes I'm really proud. This stuff doesn't come easy though. Twice the number of components than ended up in it were destroyed modifying them for this pickup alone... There is a switch that could be operated by the heel of your hand to add feedback to notes on the fly, rather than being simply on or off. There are six dots that could be considered pole pieces (there not by the way) over which the strings pass. The other two dots either side of this are disguised red LED's that look way cool when the device is operated. The little CP9x is simply a single string driver. Most of my prototypes are made in this format, then simply moved from string to string to test it's effectiveness. This Hex version is simply six of these drivers, one for each string with a special configuration to avoid magnetic crosstalk. It's quite a commitment to make these prototypes so I use them to test other ideas for constructing them. This one is housed in solid polished aluminium and kind of forms the jig to make it. Aluminium, by the way has special magnetic properties, it's not simply non-magnetic, it's actually very slightly anti-magnetic and this feature is used in part for this purpose and another very important one that I'll leave you to guess at... I'll quit with the ads for this page 14, sorry (actually just trying to get the thread back on track) and because I'm already moving onto another angle already from what I've learn't from this one... Meanwhile, behind the scenes LK has been puting some thoughts into the electronics to drive this thing so hopefully they'll be some new developments in this direction psw P.S. I'm still interested in indvidual saddle pickups DIY stuff please, or has anyone used them and know how much separation you get with them... psw P.S. I'm still interested in indvidual saddle pickups DIY stuff please, or has anyone used them and know how much separation you get with them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psw Posted August 8, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2004 p.s sorry, duplicate ps's ps(w) Bio I just realized you may have mean't the the other hex driver... That was a test of some micro components...I've not given up on this concept but I'm going with what works...it also ties in with something LK and I are working on. My new ideas use a hybrid so well see what comes out... p.s.w. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biohazard Posted August 8, 2004 Report Share Posted August 8, 2004 Cool, it all sounds cool. Yes that link by monkey didnt seem to be going anywhere. One question psw, you say your hex driver is 6 single drivers for each string. Are they six single drivers the same spec, or slightly different due to the difference in the string sizes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkey69962000 Posted August 8, 2004 Report Share Posted August 8, 2004 heres anotherscroll down. I think there is a couple of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkey69962000 Posted August 8, 2004 Report Share Posted August 8, 2004 im having trouble trying to print the pictures from the patent. Can someone tell me how i can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psw Posted August 8, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2004 No,No,NO monkey... I'm talking D.I.Y. Individual Piezos for electric guitar...I think we all know they're out there commercially, we don't need the price list...Please try to not clutter the thread, it's long enough as it is...just sit back and enjoy it for a while while the information sinks in... bio One question psw, you say your hex driver is 6 single drivers for each string. Are they six single drivers the same spec, or slightly different due to the difference in the string sizes? err...six drivers, one per string I think you mean't. At this stage no but that maybe a factor depending on what we can do with the electronics. I didn't want to mess with too many variables. Since I know the CP9x works in this format for each string we'll see what we need to do before we mess with them. If we get a feasable working model including electronics, I will then go back and use these electronics to fine tune the drivers. I'm experimenting with the idea of incorporating each driver into the bridge using SMD components, were talking very, very small here and supply of components can be a problem, especially in a place like Australia for small quantities. So you want to know that it's going to work before you go wild with the cash$$ cheers Bio psw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psw Posted August 9, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2004 Ho Ho Ho Finally got a day to myself Tried some tests on using my technology as a pickup... It does work but, predictably, very directional... This is fantastic for those who keep asking about hex pickups hexodistorto and the like... This will be my next project for sure... Maybe I can find someone who knows about A/D conversion so I could use one as a basic midi programmer... That way you could plug into a computer and it would notate what ever you play and you could play it back with any sound you want...cool or what!!!! The tracking probably not be so hot but for this application, who cares... Be pretty cheap too, I'd say... Also, done a little work with some tiny, tiny, tiny components...definitely some possibilities there.... Stay tuned psw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkey69962000 Posted August 9, 2004 Report Share Posted August 9, 2004 oh i didnt know that was a price list sorry. I thought that was a catologe for the online store. ill keep looking. Oh and by the way i have a place near me that sells pickups that can transmit MIDI files. I think thats what they do. Here ill post link later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkey69962000 Posted August 9, 2004 Report Share Posted August 9, 2004 Sam Ash- Syth/ MIDI pickups Well i think you just need to take the GK3 and fiddle with that. It would then make you have a 10x and have a company comercially make adapters for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psw Posted August 9, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2004 I realize that Roland do make them, how to make it compatible with their boxes and synths are probably kept to themselves... You need to look deeper than the adds if you want to get how this stuff works... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkey69962000 Posted August 9, 2004 Report Share Posted August 9, 2004 ok. Well does anyone know the patent number of the sustanic or anymore of the ebow. I searched for 2 hours straight and couldnt find one for the sustanic. The ebow is hard too but was able to get small ones that did say much. Thanks and sorry if i am troubling anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovekraft Posted August 9, 2004 Report Share Posted August 9, 2004 Try D248,122 and 4,075,921 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkey69962000 Posted August 9, 2004 Report Share Posted August 9, 2004 um i ment the ones besides the ones on the first page. Sorry LK. um well you know of any of the sustanic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren wilson Posted August 9, 2004 Report Share Posted August 9, 2004 I realize that Roland do make them, how to make it compatible with their boxes and synths are probably kept to themselves... You need to look deeper than the adds if you want to get how this stuff works... Probably not... a few companies make Roland-compatible hexaphonic hardware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregP Posted August 9, 2004 Report Share Posted August 9, 2004 All of this waiting for a hexaphonic guitar-mounted sustainer is going to be worth it.... if you share... ! But in the meantime, does anyone know how to build an e-bow replica? Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkey69962000 Posted August 9, 2004 Report Share Posted August 9, 2004 dude. i asked and LoveKraft got mad at me. Well he said look at the patent and it will tell you how. And it does. well i just want to know more patents about it. Look on the first page. the second patent he has is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psw Posted August 9, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2004 Ansil reckons he built one but didn't detail it as I remember... on this thread I think...discussions on the ebow featured alot early on I'm fiddling around with a miniture one using my stuff but no luck as yet! DW - thanks for that I knew of the FAAS saddle system but not of the synth/midi compatability...not much on the circuit board so suspect it just sends a nice clean signal that's processed in Monkey's box as he said. I use string savers on my main strat, I'm really impressed...don't know about the $$ for me. But if you have them, spend them on this...neater than the roland and you get acoustic sound too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkey69962000 Posted August 9, 2004 Report Share Posted August 9, 2004 psw have you herd of the sustanic. LK put it in a post once. Its a infinate sustain pickup. ill try and post LK link. ill edit this when i refind it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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