Bmachine Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 I decided to to test a new project with the Dupli-Color paints that some people have raved about on here. After sanding the wood I started to spray Dupli-Color Sandable Primer. But I am finding that this primer does not work well on bare wood. I imagine it is made for application on bare metal or Bondo. I had to spray an entire 11oz can in about 10 or 11 passes and even after sanding between coats I still get a lot of grain showing. I have been using the Parks PRO Finisher Sanding Sealer on my other projects with good success. But since it is water based I am not sure it will fare too well under the Dupli-Color which is a lacquer. What have you guys used on bare wood for this process? Thanks a lot for any help. Bo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlGeeEater Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 You can use Parks Nitro Sand And Sealer... if you have a home improvement store near you chances ar they will have it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maiden69 Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 yeap, any good sandin sealer should work! or Bondo, (not glazing putty, but the 2 part poly filler) and run it paper thin, but I will use SS better!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlGeeEater Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Please dont say bondo... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmachine Posted October 29, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 I've read many warnings about using Bondo on a guitar also... Here is a dumb question: Is the Parks S&S water based the same composition as the nitro one? (apart from the "liquid" obviously). If so this would mean that, when the stuf is dry, the water or solvents are gone, right? So at that point, does it really matter if, in its liquid form, this was water or nitro based? Thank you very much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlGeeEater Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Ill check my can when i get home for you... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maiden69 Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Just tell me what's bad about bondo! And tell me if it's so bad for you why it worked great on all my guitars! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/Maiden69/DSC01142.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/Maiden69/DSC01188.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/Maiden69/DSC00861.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/Maiden69/DSC00849.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmachine Posted October 29, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Hmmm, I went to both Home Despot and Lowes this morning and between them they only have 3 choices in sanding sealers: Parks/Pro Finisher Water base Minwax Oil base and Olympic Oil base I see the Parks Lacquer S&S on the Parks web page but it seems the HDs in my area (L.A.) are not carrying it... Any experience with the Minwax or Olympic ones? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlGeeEater Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Just tell me what's bad about bondo! And tell me if it's so bad for you why it worked great on all my guitars! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/Maiden69/DSC01142.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/Maiden69/DSC01188.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/Maiden69/DSC00861.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/Maiden69/DSC00849.jpg Dude, seriously just chill out. Its a joke... Gosh... Minwax is a good name but ive never used there sealers...sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maiden69 Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 AlGee, you have to remember that it might hsave been a joke for you, but somebody migh read it and think that Bondo is bad and don't even try it. I find it much better than wood specialized stuff out there! Not meant as a rant or anything just to point out that it is a good choice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlGeeEater Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 yea true but it was a joke...maybe i should put j/k after every joke i make Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmachine Posted November 1, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 (edited) Maiden, I, on the other hand, was not joking. I have read some very positive things but also some negative things about using Bondo on guitars. If I remember correctly it was primarily on the mimf. A quick search returns a few things like this "never use Bondo on wood (it just doesn't adhere well)" "there's a woodworker's version of Bondo called Rock-Hard Water Putty. It is a powder with the consistency of flour, and it is mixed with water. When this stuff hardens, it does so just like bondo - very hard. It's dirt cheap at Home Depot or other places like that. It doesn't shrink like Bondo does." It should be noted that there are far more positives comments than negatives, btw. But it's always good to know both sides. Note also that I am just reporting some observations here. I have not tried it myself so I have no opinion one way or the other. Edited November 1, 2004 by Bmachine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maiden69 Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 you just have to mention mimf ... I see that place like the old people from the 1800, never try nothing that is not the standard, people like that were tehe ones that told Les Paul not to bother making a solid body guitar, since it was a waste of time! But seriously, you can see the pics of my guitars, tell me if you can tell were the bondo is, I think that everytbody that had a bad experience with it, preped the body bad and in turn had a bad job, the prep is 90% the most important part of a good finish, if you don't take your time and make some short cuts you will have a bad finish. Make sure that whatever you use, you prep the area good, and bevel the edges to a 45 degree so that you don't get that edge on the repair when you prime your guitar. Good luck with project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmachine Posted November 1, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 I agree with you on the mimf for the most part. Yet at the same time, many of the people on that board have built guitars that most of us can only dream of... I agree very much on the prep of course. But the post I was actually referring to was from a guy who had been doing Bondo on cars for a very long time (20+ yrs). And he had some strong reservations about using it on guitars for some reason. But at the time, I was not considering using it so I did not copy it on my machine. Damn I wish I could find it again... Maybe somebody else read it also? In the absence of that, as I said, I have read plenty of positives also. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devon Headen Posted November 2, 2004 Report Share Posted November 2, 2004 There are two different Bondos at Lowes. There one called "home solutions" or something like that. It's meant to be used on wood. They also have the auto body filler kind. I've never tried the auto body kind on wood, but if I had to guess I'd bet that the wood adherance problem was for using the wrong stuff. The Bondo I use makes a very, very strong bond with the wood. I mixed some up just the other night. I mixed it with a small scrap piece of wood on a piece of ply. While I was waiting for it to dry I set the two pieces together. When I tried to get them apart the wood broke before the Bondo. If it adheres that well to a dusty, unprepped surface, than I'd like to see you get it to fall off my guitar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvertonessuckbutigotone Posted November 2, 2004 Report Share Posted November 2, 2004 I used the body filler bondo a couple of days ago, it works GREAT. This is just my opinion, but although it takes some time you cant see any differences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 I coated a neck in a really thin coat of bondo for repair jobs and it adheres really nicely to bare wood IMO. I don't think I will use it on the body of my guitar but for small dings on the neck it worked wonders. Now I just need to get ahold of some auto grade paints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maiden69 Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 ^^ remember that the bondo will be used to plug holes not to give shape or contours to the body! And I would rather use it on the body than on the neck anytime, And this is the one that I use for holes, NOT this, this is more for pinholes on the primer before last primer coat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 ya I was using the filler not the glazing putty. Also I used it to fill in some sanding marks and dings from the original. I may use it on the body if need be depending on if there are any deep goudges I missed or did to it in the rough phase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGGR Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 (edited) The last days I have been working on Limba LP body. On bare wood I have used a Dupli-Color spray putty (they sell here in Holland). It comes in spray can and has little thicker consistancy as the primer/filler spray they also sell. Just sanded the body down with 240.....I didn't wet the body to raise the small wood fibers and sand again with 240. I forgot about this.....I was just trigger happy putting the putty on. I sprayed on a half can.....let it dry and sanded 99% of it back again. Major dings and dents were covered and it felt real smooth. Then I sprayed second coat on there, and to my own surprise while spraying it looked like a moon landscape again. I was really surprised about that. I thought it was smooth already during the first go. I guess the spray brings out the grain and dings and dents again. Must say I sanded large parts back to bare wood again...so grain would show there again, I guess.... I let it dry and sanded it back again for the second time. Now it's very smooth and very nice. This stuff applies really nice. Dries quick and sands nice and smooth....(When I got my second can in the store the guy in the store said this was the best. He sold tons of it. He told me this after I had made my purchase...so no sales blabla here.) Body is now ready for coat of Dupli Filler/Primer. So what i learned. What I would do different next time. I guess I would have used a grain filled next time. So bare wood, sand down to 240, mildly damp wood let it dry and sand with 240 again. Use grain filler......sand down with 240 again. Then use Dupli-color spray putty to fill small dings and scratches......depending on smoothness....use other coat of spray putty or go straight to the Dupli Color Primer/Filler. Bondo works magic too. I have used that to fill routing screw-ups before using spray putty. I guess, I'm not a pro yet, having to use all these fillers and putties. ;-) Edited November 18, 2004 by RGGR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 (edited) Or it sounds like the grain should have been raised and sanded down until it didn't raise anymore. I am guessing the grain probably absorbed any oil or liquid in the filler spray and thats why it raised up(just a thought). Edited November 18, 2004 by Cloud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGGR Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 Like I said...next time I will sand down any raised grain after light wet damping of surface. And yes, I would use grain filler. Grain filler is much cheaper than spray putty.......Results so far are promising....Live and learn, I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S3nceless1 Posted November 20, 2004 Report Share Posted November 20, 2004 Hey Maiden69 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/Maiden69/DSC00861.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/Maiden69/DSC00849.jpg Where did you get the striping tape that you used on these? Cool tribal graphic would look good on a project I'm working on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maiden69 Posted November 20, 2004 Report Share Posted November 20, 2004 I got it at my local Advance auto parts. Be advise that I put like 5 cans of duplicolor clear over that body, color sanding only over the tape, and it stills shows when looked from the side. Only the headstock turn pretty decent. It comes in black or white. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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