Bmth Builder Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 Hey does any one do it? Do the big companies that supply it use any kinda special techniques or can any one do it with a pot of stain and a rag? What would be the best wood to use to get the blackest result? e.g what takes stain best? When ever I see black veneer it tends to be stained sycammore. - Cheers Neil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leswatts Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 What would be the best wood to use to get the blackest result? e.g what takes stain best? When ever I see black veneer it tends to be stained sycammore. - Cheers Neil Hi Neil. First post for me here. I have done it with solvent based dyes, But generally I just buy the stuff. I have some 8 foot lengths used in a sports product. Water based dye might work too, as the veneer could be dried quickly. It would need to be figure free I would think so as not to warp. It's usually American Holly, Anigre, or English sycamore presumably due to the good dye absorption of those species. In many woods the dye would not penetrate all the way. BTW I generally had to soak the veneer to get good results. Les Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmth Builder Posted March 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 Cheers for the reply, how would you go about soaking the veneer with out it warping during drying? Just dont use a water base dye? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leswatts Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 Cheers for the reply, how would you go about soaking the veneer with out it warping during drying? Just dont use a water base dye? I have seen reference to boiling and even pressure cooking rolled up veneer. Forgot where.... For small bits I used solvent based NGR dye (Solarlux), but my guess is that the surface chemistry of cellulose makes dying very dark colors easier with water based systems. You can dye a cotton t shirt pretty black, right? As far as the wetness warping the veneer...well it's cut wet after steeping the log in near boiling water so I guess it can be kept under control. I have seen sheets of wet veneer going to a rapid jet dryer after cutting. That flash dry might help. When I made acoustic guitars I would use black wood veneer for purfling and binding, but I just made my own ebony veneer using a router based tiny planer. I could get it very thin...a fraction of a millimeter. the rough strips were 2-3 mm thick, cut with the bandsaw with carefully set guides. What do you want to use the dyed veneer for? I use it for this: (scroll down to the very bottom picture): http://lmwatts.com/gallery.html I have made many thousands of those things on the CNC, which is why I stock the 8 foot anigre black veneer sheets. Les Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmth Builder Posted March 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 I want to pinstipe between a body and top of a guitar, but I cant seem to find black veneer wide enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 I bought some "black dyed castello" a while back...available in very large sizes...don't remember where,but run a google search...it worked well on this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmth Builder Posted March 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 I'm from the UK so stuff is kinda limited how well will beech take stain? Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 http://www.wood-veneers.com/table-1.htm I swear,want me to order it and ship it to your address too? You need to buy it already dyed,because you are unlikely to get it all the way through the veneer the way they do in pieces as large as you need without making a huge mess and costing yourself more in dye than the veneer costs already dyed. I already went through this years ago...one simple sheet of this stuff will last you a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 http://dragonplate.com/ecart/categories.asp?cID=12 http://www.herzogveneers.com/home.aspx couple of possibilities for you...the carbon fibre seems really cool...I could not find from herzog where they ship,but IU am sure you could contact them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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