soapbarstrat Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 I haven't bought super-accelerator for many years, since the time I bought a bottle from Stew-mac, and it dried up within a month (had no idea it was rapidly drying up inside the spray bottle). But the other day, I was messing with a scrap neck, and I wanted to pull out a fret I had put in that neck 10 months ago, which I had also ran #10 Stew-mac super glue into the fret-slot to help hold the fret. Well, I was surprised that I was able to pull this fret out with my fret-pullers with no heat, and the glue bond....... well, it was like there was hardly any glue bond. This scares me, so now I want to start applying accelerator to the fret-tangs before adding the glue, which I hope, will make the super-glue perform the way I thought super-glue was supposed to. But, you know I don't want to rack up a $30 minimum stew-mac bill to get a bottle of their accelerator, so I'm wondering if I were to run over to the hobby shop or some local place that sells super-glue accelerator, if that will work just fine with the stew-mac super-glue ? Anybody know what the heck accelerator is , and how it makes the glue work better ? The stuff must be magic, because stew-mac charges $35.00 for a pint of the stuff (oh yeah, that would put me over their minimum ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MzI Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 there is a brand called zip kicker it comes in like a 2 oz or so spray bottle it works wonders with zap a gap brand ca, thats the only brand ive heard of, id assume that its much cheaper then the stuff from stew mac too MzI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drak Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 Yeah, I keep a big bottle capped tightly, and transfer it into the little spritzer bottle when I want to use it, and transfer the rest back when I'm done. PS, that accellerator is a deadly carcinogenic and has killed people dead before from overinhalation. Use with caution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soapbarstrat Posted October 24, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 (edited) PS, that accellerator is a deadly carcinogenic and has killed people dead before from overinhalation. Use with caution. I guess you're not joking right ? I have enough lung damage from paint and solvents. Supposedly baking soda can be used, but that would be hard to get to stay on the fret. BUT, not hard to rub it into the fret-slot. Hmmm, I just woke up my mad scientist personality Edited October 24, 2004 by soapbarstrat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drak Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 Overinhalation is probably the wrong term. Overexposure causes it to build up in your liver (I think) to fatal doses over time. I try to always use it outdoors now. I have also had my fair share of exposure to solvents and other bad chemicals, but no one wants to voluntarily do themselves in. That's no fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdog Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 Soapbar........Head down to your local hobby store and you will find a great selection of super glues, epoxies and accelerators.......This stuff is the "favorite fruit" of model airplane builders. The brand name is Bob Smith Industies, but may be packaged generically with the hobby shop's name on it. I recently bought a refill sized 8oz (I think) bottle of accelerator for @$11 and it will last me for 6 months. An 8oz bottle of superglue is @$16.....If you buy an 8oz bottle, you can store the unused portion in your freezer almost indefinately. If the internet is your prefered method of procurement.....try Lone Star Models.....I've bought from them many times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soapbarstrat Posted October 24, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 You know you can't go wrong with something made by someone named Bob. Thanks for all the info (the hobby shop will probably win over stew-mac) Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guitarfrenzy Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 I think that accelerator comes in real handy at times. I've used it on some stuff when I needed it to bond quickly. The only thing I don't like about it, is that it's some of the worst smelling stuff I've ever worked with. lol.. It's very rank smell.. although I had no idea about the health issues with this stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soapbarstrat Posted November 18, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 Finally bought some. At first , I wasn't sure if I should buy it, because it had the hobby shop's name on it , and I didn't see Bob Smith's name on the bottle. But then they had a free paper about the glues there that had "Bob Smith Industries" " BSI" on it. Then I noticed all the bottles with the store name had ' BSI' on them. I was surprised how cheap the super-glue was. Like $4.00 for a bottle almost as big as Stew-macs. Their paper says their super-glue has a 2 year shelf life. But I don't know if that's an open or unopened bottle. And one thing I just don't understand..... The $11.00 bottle of accelerator is " strawberry scented" !!! . Ah yes, fruit scented poison and youth influenced by MTV. What a clever way to " thin the herd ". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdog Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 Glad to see you picked up some of the accelerator.......I wonder if it comes in a "pine scent"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drak Posted November 19, 2004 Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 Did you mean 'Pine Box' scent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdog Posted November 19, 2004 Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 That "Pine Box" scent can get pretty nasty!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirkentesquire Posted November 19, 2004 Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 I had also ran #10 Stew-mac super glue into the fret-slot to help hold the fret. Well, I was surprised that I was able to pull this fret out with my fret-pullers with no heat, and the glue bond....... well, it was like there was hardly any glue bond. This scares me The most important question I can think of is to ask if you degreased the frets with naptha (or something of the like) before installing them? That makes a HUGE difference. If you did, and you're sure the frets were snug in the wood with enough superglue to bond them, maybe the glue was no good. Using accelerator shouldn't make the glue joint any stronger, only faster drying. If the frets are well seated it shouldn't make a difference, so I would say to not bother about the accelerator with the frets, but that's just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soapbarstrat Posted November 19, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 yes, I always clean it with naptha. I'm thinking that maybe too much water-thin glue gets sucked into the end-grain of the fret-slot wall, away from where it should be. So, I'm thinking with accelerator on the fret-tang, it will keep more glue between the tang and the fret-slot wall, because the glue will dry before it starts seeping into the endgrain. Warmoth leaves the oil on and uses thick CA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirkentesquire Posted November 19, 2004 Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 That's a good idea, just using the thicker glue. Simplest solution is usually the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soapbarstrat Posted November 20, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2004 the main thing I like about using super-glue when doing fret-work, is that I can press the fret in dry, make sure I like the fit, see how well it's seated, THEN apply the glue. The BSI website says this about testing if your CA is good or not : Shake the bottle and if it takes more than 3 seconds for all the bubbles to go away, it's time to give the glue to uncle Lester, so he can build more clothes-pin soldiers with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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