ROBERTLATHAM1 Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 hey guys bought the ts-9dx still stock no mods yet. if i run it by itself guitar ts-9 amp it sounds great but if i put it in front or behind my rp-3 digitech it sounds like sh--! i dont know im thinking it might be something to do with the analog to digital signal process in the digitech and if im right about this what do i do to fix it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joerules22 Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 is the rp-3 an amp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROBERTLATHAM1 Posted April 27, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2005 no joe the rp-3 digitech is a digital multi effects processor. i go from guitar to ts-9dx to marshall it sounds great but if i put the effects processor in at any point in front of the ts-9 or behind the ts-9 or in the effects loop my sound goes to the bone pile. if i use the rp-3 effects processor alone it sounds great but the two togather just sound like crap! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borge Posted April 27, 2005 Report Share Posted April 27, 2005 the rp 3 is a multi effect unit isnt it? i sometimes run my stompboxes with my ax1500g multi effects it takes some time to dial in a good sound and using the conventional effects ordering helps eg wah before anything, dist before chorus etc that said tubescreamers are great pedals and most multi effects have a large array of **** effects so the rp 3 could possibly swallow the tone of the ts resulting in dissapointing results Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crafty Posted April 27, 2005 Report Share Posted April 27, 2005 You're better off not using the tubescreamer with the RP-3. It will sound like crap no matter what you do. I use an A/B box to select between my stompboxes and my processor. With cheaper effects units like the RP-3 or even my Boss GT-3, it's tough if not near impossible to get a clean sound when mixed with analog effects, especially mild overdrives like the TS-9. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Marossy Posted April 27, 2005 Report Share Posted April 27, 2005 I use an A/B box to select between my stompboxes and my processor. Bingo! This is what I used to do for a while. It works much better that way. My experience is that as soon as you mix a digital FX processor with a stompbox(es), the tone goes to hell in a hurry. If I had to guess as to the reason why, I would say that it's probably due to impedance issues. Not to mention the fact that these digital processors make everything sound like it's in a cavern - it's not hard for things to get washed out... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crafty Posted April 27, 2005 Report Share Posted April 27, 2005 Yeah, the only effect I've ever had luck mixing with a processor was a Morley wah pedal. With the cheaper processors, I suspect that the A/D/A converters are the weak link and sending that choppy signal through stompboxes is going to kill an already deteriorating tone. I usually just run the processor through the effects loop of my amp and the stompboxes in front of the amp's preamp anymore. The signal going through the processor doesn't mesh well with the preamp, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Marossy Posted April 27, 2005 Report Share Posted April 27, 2005 About the only thing I use a processor for anymore is practicing with headphones and occasionally, recording. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROBERTLATHAM1 Posted April 29, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 You're better off not using the tubescreamer with the RP-3. It will sound like crap no matter what you do. I use an A/B box to select between my stompboxes and my processor. With cheaper effects units like the RP-3 or even my Boss GT-3, it's tough if not near impossible to get a clean sound when mixed with analog effects, especially mild overdrives like the TS-9. ← how do you get the two independent signals into the same input on the amp. i understand the chain to that point. guitar a\b box a b stompboxes processor amp but at this point my amp only has one input! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
80srock Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 Does the Marshall have an effects loop? The nice thing about digital effects is they do not have to me ran inline. If you have an effects loop run the digital effects through it and the tube screamer in line with the guitar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Marossy Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 but at this point my amp only has one input! Here is what I made specifically for this purpose: http://www.diyguitarist.com/PDF_Files/LooperSchem.pdf IMO, an A/B box seems to be better suited for taking one guitar and switching between two amps or being used an an external bypass box. As in this diagram: http://www.diyguitarist.com/PDF_Files/ABY-Wiring.pdf HTH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crafty Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 I don't use the stompboxes and the processor at the same time. The switchbox just lets me switch between the stompboxes in front of the amp or the processor going into the effects loop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROBERTLATHAM1 Posted April 30, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2005 but at this point my amp only has one input! Here is what I made specifically for this purpose: http://www.diyguitarist.com/PDF_Files/LooperSchem.pdf IMO, an A/B box seems to be better suited for taking one guitar and switching between two amps or being used an an external bypass box. As in this diagram: http://www.diyguitarist.com/PDF_Files/ABY-Wiring.pdf HTH. ← lmao! you know i sat and thought aboout it after i started this post and came up with the same thing as your looper circuit, but useing a manual push button switch with 2 n.o contacts and 2 n.c. contacts and i think this is the way im gona go for now we will see how well it works lmao! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Marossy Posted April 30, 2005 Report Share Posted April 30, 2005 you know i sat and thought aboout it after i started this post and came up with the same thing as your looper circuit Cool, I hope it works out for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southpa Posted April 30, 2005 Report Share Posted April 30, 2005 I've had bad luck with pedals in general. Maybe someone could suggest a good overdrive that doesn't cut back guitar input volume, add to amp/guitar background noise and drain batteries. Got A TS-7 that is literally a POS, just sounds too sterile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Marossy Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 Maybe someone could suggest a good overdrive that doesn't cut back guitar input volume, add to amp/guitar background noise and drain batteries? Well, unfortunately, all stompboxes will add some amount of noise and run down batteries. A well designed circuit will add minimal noise, but extremely high gain pedals will add a certain amount of noise no matter how well designed they are. What they shouldn't do is decrease your volume level when engaged. Anyhow, these digital processors can be very noisy if you bypass the noise gate that they often use. There's pros and cons for everything... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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