madhattr88 Posted April 4, 2010 Report Share Posted April 4, 2010 Small problem mahogany body used minwax prestain conditioner, then stained, then put a coat of truoil over the stain any idea why the stain is coming off when I rub on the tru oil??? It's oil based. I let dry 24 hours any suggestions???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madhattr88 Posted April 4, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2010 Small problem mahogany body used minwax prestain conditioner, then stained, then put a coat of truoil over the stain any idea why the stain is coming off when I rub on the tru oil??? It's oil based. I let dry 24 hours any suggestions???? the stain is Behlen solar lux stain maybe it isn't oil based. Has strange ingredients ethanol, acetone, water, and a lot of poly somethings and blah blah enes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WezV Posted April 4, 2010 Report Share Posted April 4, 2010 the oil is just picking up the excess stain is all what you need to do is apply the tru-oil in a way that wont disturb the stain, rubbing will alway lift some of the colour best off spraying some coats with a preval sprayer or similar (assuming you dont have a spray set-up) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drak Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 Actually, out of the three ingredients mentioned, the Solar Lux (to me) is the superior product of the three. The Minwax conditioner was not needed, and most likely stopped the Solar Lux from truly penetrating the pores of the Mahogany, severely lessening the positive attributes of the dye product. In this case, 'conditioner' is a fancy word for 'sealer coat'. A sealer coat seals off the pores of the wood from anything you happen put on top of it. You sealed the wood (by using the Minwax conditioner first) against the very dye you bought to dye it (basically). I'm sure it colored, but not nearly like it would have if you applied the Solar Lux directly onto the bare wood itself. it's sort of like hiring a professional runner to run a sprint for you, then nailing his shoes down to the starting line, the two products are working against themselves somewhat. The Solar Lux (I'm guessing) is coming off because it never got to penetrate the wood in the first place, it's sort of just sitting on top of the Minwax, and the Tru-Oil is picking it up for the ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madhattr88 Posted April 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 that makes sense. is there any kind of prep to do before staining? (besides sanding of course) Actually, out of the three ingredients mentioned, the Solar Lux (to me) is the superior product of the three. The Minwax conditioner was not needed, and most likely stopped the Solar Lux from truly penetrating the pores of the Mahogany, severely lessening the positive attributes of the dye product. In this case, 'conditioner' is a fancy word for 'sealer coat'. A sealer coat seals off the pores of the wood from anything you happen put on top of it. You sealed the wood (by using the Minwax conditioner first) against the very dye you bought to dye it (basically). I'm sure it colored, but not nearly like it would have if you applied the Solar Lux directly onto the bare wood itself. it's sort of like hiring a professional runner to run a sprint for you, then nailing his shoes down to the starting line, the two products are working against themselves somewhat. The Solar Lux (I'm guessing) is coming off because it never got to penetrate the wood in the first place, it's sort of just sitting on top of the Minwax, and the Tru-Oil is picking it up for the ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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