2 Sets Of Coils In "overlapping Series"?

[xadioriderx]

I do a lottttt of wiring diagrams for people, drawing them up and trouble shooting for people, but one thing ive never tried and never seen is this.

has anyone ever tried wiring 2 sets of coils in overlapping series? what i mean is this:

imagine if that single coil were in phase with it, and wound opposite the north of the humbucker? same as the north of the humbucker?

how might it change the sound adding that other single coil?

or imagine if the humbucker was in humbucking like this, but the single coil was out of phase with the north of the HB? out of phase with the south?

ive never seen anyone do this. and it makes me curious! i may just have to try it out!

[xadioriderx]

alright i did some testing.

i compared a humbucker in the bridge position, to adding the single coil in parallel, and then adding it in overlapping series.

a humbucker in the bridge was fairly twangy, as expected.

adding the single coil in parallel added a lot more low tone into it, and overall filled in a lot of sound.

adding the single coil in overlapping series did the same, but less so. it was like a half step towards adding the two in parallel. interesting.

[Ripthorn]

Just from a theoretical standpoint, doing the overlapping series puts the south coil and single coil in parallel, which reduces the overall resistance and inductive reactance to ground, which is likely why you are thinking it is part way between the other two scenarios. It is an interesting concept. I am planning to do an HS guitar in the somewhat near future and may put this sort of thing in as an option.

[xadioriderx]

yeah you should give it a try, id love to see a more experimental outcome of this, see if people like the sound or not.

ill call it a ryanbucker or something =p

[perhellion]

Is this how triple coil pickups - motherbuckers - are wired?

[xadioriderx]

i didnt know that even existed until just now

[Tim37]

Motherbuckers are four coil basicallt two single coil sized humbuckers put together.

[perhellion]

Not the new ones, back in the 70's I believe, there was a triple coil pickup called a motherbucker. I can't find any pics, but I have found various references to these, so I'm not imagining things.

[Dave_B]

Ibanez had a triple coil in the mid-70's. That one?

[Tim37]

Well I won't argue. I honesy don't know all I knew is I had seen the four coils before. But a lot of things happened in the 70'a me being one of them.

[perhellion]

No, not the Ibanez one. I think that was three single coils near each other. The one I mean was made by Mighty Mite -- I found some references to it and a pic, but the pic was on some photo hosting site, so I can't post it. But is like a big humbucker -- three coils on one dull gold-colored baseplate with four feet instead of two.