String Through Things

[kraut]

Does any one know where you can get the "things" (insert thing name here) that go through the body to make a string through setup. I have had a look on several websites but since I don't even know what they are called it's a bit hard to look for them. I am currently drawing up my design on pro/Engineer wildfire 2 which is pretty cool coz I can do a solid model of the guitar which is kind of like doing a mockup build and it makes neck angles and stuff easier to work out. Not to mention that I can generate dawings for all the parts. Has anyone else done this and how did you go?

But back to the point, what are those little things called and where can you get em?

[Primal]

Stewmac. They are called string ferrules.

[prs man]

Guitar String Ferrules

http://www.stewmac.com/

[kraut]

Stewmac. They are called string ferrules.

That was quick thanks for that!!

[Primal]

NP

Kraut, are you German? And is kraut still a derogatory name for Germans?

[kraut]

NP

Kraut, are you German? And is kraut still a derogatory name for Germans?

Actually I'm an Aussie but I was born in Germany. Whether or not it's derogatory depends on the person I suppose. Personally I don't really care, at work I get called Kraut, Jerry, Bosch, Nazi and the very first nickname I got when I was an apprentice was LJB which stands for little jew burner (not very nice or politically correct) but you don't get to choose your nicknames. I can tell if people are saying stuff in fun or if they mean to piss me off and I react accordingly. So in short call me what ever you want but don't call me late for dinner I'm working on my CAD model for my guitar at the moment, I'll post a jpeg of it when I'm done. Hopefully I'll get some ideas

oi oi oi

[Desopolis]

WOW

LJB, never heard that one...

welcome!!

[themetalhankey]

k for string ferrules, is there a certain type of tune-o-matic bridge for a string thru or do u just use a "regular" tune-o-matic bridge and tilt it? I dont know why to tilt it, but most of the guitars with string thru bridges, the tune-o-matic bridge is tilted or angled.

for the string ferrules do u need 6 on the front of the body and 6 on the back of the body ?

thanks

[Primal]

Yea, ouch, LJB is rough, haha.

[kraut]

k for string ferrules, is there a certain type of tune-o-matic bridge for a string thru or do u just use a "regular" tune-o-matic bridge and tilt it? I dont know why to tilt it, but most of the guitars with string thru bridges, the tune-o-matic bridge is tilted or angled.

for the string ferrules do u need 6 on the front of the body and 6 on the back of the body ?

thanks

The way I see it you need 6 on each side because they will pull out if you only use them on the top and if you only use them on the bottom you will have strings cutting into the wool. On the ibanez SZ series they use a brigde with curved saddles that allow the strings to curve down to the ferrules. THey call it gibralter II or something. I'm not sure if you can buy them. Maybe start a new post on the topic and see what comes up. Most people won't know you're asking the question if it's buried in another post. I'd also like to find out about ferrule placement, again on the SZ series, they are staggered, I assume this has something to do with compensation but not sure.

[Primal]

The staggering of the ferrules on the SZ is merely for aesthetics.

As for themetalhankey's question about why TOM bridges are angled, its because the adjustment range of the TOM bridges are so short that in order to get all the strings intonated, it must be angled. ALL TOM bridges are angled, not just ones with the strings running through the body.

[kraut]

k for string ferrules, is there a certain type of tune-o-matic bridge for a string thru or do u just use a "regular" tune-o-matic bridge and tilt it? I dont know why to tilt it, but most of the guitars with string thru bridges, the tune-o-matic bridge is tilted or angled.

for the string ferrules do u need 6 on the front of the body and 6 on the back of the body ?

thanks

Try this bridge, I think it would work

http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Bridges,_tailp...g_Roller_Bridge

[Primal]

Would it work? Yes, but a locking roller bridge would be pointless unless you have, as they mention, a vibrato unit.

Go with the standard, cheap Gotoh TOM.

[Beast8576]

So since you are using ProE are you a drafter? I am currently trying to build my first guitar I am a drafter which is making things a little easer as I can take something apart and draw it. I am interested in seeing your design. I wish you the best with your project.

[kraut]

Would it work? Yes, but a locking roller bridge would be pointless unless you have, as they mention, a vibrato unit.

Go with the standard, cheap Gotoh TOM.

Is there a danger of the strings being hard up against the body of the bridge with the strings going through the body? The reason I suggested the roller bridge was because it would allow the strings a clear path to the ferrules. I suppose you could move the ferrules further back if you were using a normal TOM

So since you are using ProE are you a drafter? I am currently trying to build my first guitar I am a drafter which is making things a little easer as I can take something apart and draw it. I am interested in seeing your design. I wish you the best with your project.

Actually I'm studying engineering technologies and I have to use Pro/E for my solid modelling class. It's a bit of a challenge putting in some of the sexy curves guitar have (might be easier actually carving than modelling) But if i get it right it will make things easier having good plans, especially working out stuff like neck angle and head stock angle because you can draw in the pickups and so on an get it all worked out before you go stuffing up 100's of buck worth of wood.

[Primal]

Yes, you would probably want to move the ferrules back. I would be hesitant to have the angle the strings break off the bridge be any more extreme than the angle when using a stop tailpiece.

[Beast8576]

I agree, I beleave that having a will laid out "bluebrint" is a great start. I have based my first build on the "beatle bass" I hope it turns out as cool as I think it will. I have uploaded a pic at my myspace page.

Would it work? Yes, but a locking roller bridge would be pointless unless you have, as they mention, a vibrato unit.

Go with the standard, cheap Gotoh TOM.

Is there a danger of the strings being hard up against the body of the bridge with the strings going through the body? The reason I suggested the roller bridge was because it would allow the strings a clear path to the ferrules. I suppose you could move the ferrules further back if you were using a normal TOM

So since you are using ProE are you a drafter? I am currently trying to build my first guitar I am a drafter which is making things a little easer as I can take something apart and draw it. I am interested in seeing your design. I wish you the best with your project.

Actually I'm studying engineering technologies and I have to use Pro/E for my solid modelling class. It's a bit of a challenge putting in some of the sexy curves guitar have (might be easier actually carving than modelling) But if i get it right it will make things easier having good plans, especially working out stuff like neck angle and head stock angle because you can draw in the pickups and so on an get it all worked out before you go stuffing up 100's of buck worth of wood.

[kraut]

k for string ferrules, is there a certain type of tune-o-matic bridge for a string thru or do u just use a "regular" tune-o-matic bridge and tilt it? I dont know why to tilt it, but most of the guitars with string thru bridges, the tune-o-matic bridge is tilted or angled.

for the string ferrules do u need 6 on the front of the body and 6 on the back of the body ?

thanks

G'day Mate,

Just for your info,

I went to the guitar shop today and had a look at some PRS's and Belman guitars (both really good brands) and in the string through versions they all had standard gotoh type toms ( on an angle, top further toward bridge, looking at the guitar front on as if someone else was playing it in front of you) But the interesting thing was that the string ferruls were quite close to the bridge which meant that the strings laid on the saddles but also touched the back of the body of the bridge. I thought this was wierd but these guys obviously know what they are doing.

[Acousticraft]

Kraut on my last solid body I built, I used a fender style bridge. I routed a cavity on the back and epoxy glued in a brass plate for the string anchors. I then drilled the holes through without using ferrules. I filed a slight lead in groove for the strings and this guitar stays in tune no problem. I am always looking for ways to keep the costs down so this system cost me nothing..The bridge was also cheap at stew macs about $20 and works perfectly with full height and intonation adjustment.

[kraut]

Kraut on my last solid body I built, I used a fender style bridge. I routed a cavity on the back and epoxy glued in a brass plate for the string anchors. I then drilled the holes through without using ferrules. I filed a slight lead in groove for the strings and this guitar stays in tune no problem. I am always looking for ways to keep the costs down so this system cost me nothing..The bridge was also cheap at stew macs about $20 and works perfectly with full height and intonation adjustment.

Thats not a bad Idea have you got any photos of how it looks?