Gregory Posted July 29, 2004 Report Share Posted July 29, 2004 I got some deft laquer clear from Wal-Mart in the quart sized can... few questions It claims that it doesn't require wood filler, is this true. It claims that you don't have to sand between coats, is this true I got it in the brush on type, is that bad they had one can of aerosol deft that didn't say it was fast drying like the rest of the cans and quarts, is there a difference in outcome between fast drying and regular I apply it in this order (right?) grain filler sanding sealer laquer (a few coats) dye (alchohal soluble) laquer (many more coats) note that its not to late to trade this stuff for aerosol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorecki Posted July 29, 2004 Report Share Posted July 29, 2004 The Deft is nitro and if you are brushing it, expect to be sanding your bunn's off for days. You'd be better off with spray. There is no such thing as fast drying nitro, stuff takes quite a while to cure. For a good finish, you always have to sand no matter what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Posted July 29, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2004 There is no such thing as fast drying nitro, stuff takes quite a while to cure. It says to recoat in 2 hours and its dry to the touch in 30 min but how long should I let it cure for before buffing My dyes just came, I put them over a few clear coats right? And it says that it doesn't need grainfiller, is that right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maiden69 Posted July 29, 2004 Report Share Posted July 29, 2004 Like he said it's nitro so give it a nice 3-4 weeks, there another thread and I think Drak or Litchfield pointed that as long as you can smell fumes it's not completely cured... I havce waited 3 weeks already on mine and it's still smeling, so I will give it 1 more week... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveq Posted July 30, 2004 Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 Nitro does "dry" very fast - unless you're piling it on, it will be dry to the touch (when spraying) soon after it has been applied. It takes much longer to cure (to get the solvent out) and that's what takes weeks to do. Most of the cans of nitro that I've seen recommend waiting 4 hrs between coats but from asking around here, most people seem to wait about 1 or 2 hrs between coats and still get good results. The lacquer isn't wet during that period though (unless you've put too much on ). Anyway, I think the confusion here is between the terms "dry" and "cured". Big difference between them when it comes to lacquer. I think Drak or Litchfield pointed that as long as you can smell fumes it's not completely cured Yeah, I that may have been the thread that Drak was helping me with. I put about 30 coats of lacquer on a guitar and didn't know how to tell when it was ready for buffing. The problem is that 30 coats by one person may be equal to 20 coats of another depending on the solvent ratio, how thick it was applied, .... so, he recommended that you check for the smell of the solvents. I think that takes all of the guess work out of it and is very good advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bibleboy3 Posted July 30, 2004 Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 Hi All, I was wondering how easy this deft stuff is tinted/dyed and how easy is it to spray??? also is there any way to speed up the curing time??? May Jesus bless you all Sincerely, Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
litchfield Posted July 30, 2004 Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 It aint easy to tint. I'd dye your top, and then pile on the deft. A heated area can accelerate dry time, but dont get it too hot. As for curing, it may me dry to the touch and still soft. pressure will still damage the finish. Wait a minimum of 2 weeks until trusting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Posted July 30, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 do I do any coats of clear between the sanding sealer and the dye? And how would I make ash's grain stand out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maiden69 Posted July 30, 2004 Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 Nitro does "dry" very fast - unless you're piling it on, it will be dry to the touch (when spraying) soon after it has been applied. It takes much longer to cure (to get the solvent out) and that's what takes weeks to do. Most of the cans of nitro that I've seen recommend waiting 4 hrs between coats but from asking around here, most people seem to wait about 1 or 2 hrs between coats and still get good results. The lacquer isn't wet during that period though (unless you've put too much on ). Anyway, I think the confusion here is between the terms "dry" and "cured". Big difference between them when it comes to lacquer. I think Drak or Litchfield pointed that as long as you can smell fumes it's not completely cured Yeah, I that may have been the thread that Drak was helping me with. I put about 30 coats of lacquer on a guitar and didn't know how to tell when it was ready for buffing. The problem is that 30 coats by one person may be equal to 20 coats of another depending on the solvent ratio, how thick it was applied, .... so, he recommended that you check for the smell of the solvents. I think that takes all of the guess work out of it and is very good advice. yes it will be dry to the touch in 4 hrs, and you might able to wet sand the next day, but if you are planning on putting the guitar together or dry sand or buff it you need to wait until all the "fumes" (which are the thinning solution) get out.. if not when you push hard on the finish you will smudge it... the skin is hard but the inside still soft until about 3-4 weeks, you can check it by pushing in an unconspicuos space with your nail, if the fiish gets marked, it's not ready for finishing, I will wait atleast a week after the final clear coat to color sand and polish... Unless you are in a hurry and wont mind messing up the finish, thisonly apply to spay can and nitro liquids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Jabsco Posted July 30, 2004 Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 is it ok to use tung oil and then a few coats of acrylic to give it a little bit of a shine, or would you use somthing else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maiden69 Posted July 30, 2004 Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 I don't know about that but I think it defeats the purpose of the oil... I will say try in a piece of scrap to see how it looks, but I think that as long s the wood is prep right the coats of nitro will bring the same tone on the wood as will the tung oil. If you want to give it a different tone, just stain it and then apply the clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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