AlGeeEater Posted July 30, 2004 Report Posted July 30, 2004 Is there anywere else that i can get translucent laquer besides reranch?(i.e auto zone, napa ect ect) Quote
Maiden69 Posted July 30, 2004 Report Posted July 30, 2004 the duplicolor Metalcast are translucent colors, but I haven't heard of anyone using them yet for base coat, just to paint chromed parts as posted by Litch, he said that for that it worked, may be he would be nice enough to get a scrap piece of wood and try it to let us the humble ones at PG know his findings. It would be most welcomed... Quote
AlGeeEater Posted July 30, 2004 Author Report Posted July 30, 2004 Yea i was thinking about using that as a base haha but i have a sanding saeler on my guitar. would that make a difference? Quote
Librero Posted July 31, 2004 Report Posted July 31, 2004 Litch already posted some pics of scrap figured maple painted with duplicolor metalcast in some other thread. It looked great. Quote
AlGeeEater Posted July 31, 2004 Author Report Posted July 31, 2004 did you know if he paited it over a sanding sealer? Quote
Drak Posted July 31, 2004 Report Posted July 31, 2004 You're supposed to make your own translucent lacquer. Mix alcohol-based anilyne dye or the metallic-based dyes into lacquer thinner, then blend in the colored thinner into your lacquer...presto, instant translucent lacquer. Quote
AlGeeEater Posted July 31, 2004 Author Report Posted July 31, 2004 were can u get aniline dye...liek home depot or soemthing? Quote
Drak Posted July 31, 2004 Report Posted July 31, 2004 Mostly guitar supply sites...Stew-Mac, LMI, Warmoth (maybe) etc... Some Anilyne Dye brands: Colortone Lockwood Behlens Solar Lux Quote
litchfield Posted July 31, 2004 Report Posted July 31, 2004 Nope no sanding sealer. I reccomend what Drak says. The duplicolr works great only if they have the color you want. Quote
Maiden69 Posted July 31, 2004 Report Posted July 31, 2004 You're supposed to make your own translucent lacquer. Mix alcohol-based anilyne dye or the metallic-based dyes into lacquer thinner, then blend in the colored thinner into your lacquer...presto, instant translucent lacquer. Drak, that's great if you are shooting with a paint gun, but what about for the people with cans? Can I mix this ans shoot it with a preval system and then use the Duplicolor Acrylic clear to finish it... Quote
Drak Posted July 31, 2004 Report Posted July 31, 2004 Yes, and even if you're attempting a wipe-on, you can 'make' your own wiping lacquer too. I believe the only difference between regular lac and wiping lac is they add in retarder so it doesn't dry as fast to give you time to get it wiped on w/ no brush marks. There might be some flow-out additive too, not sure tho. It wouldn't hurt to thin it a bit, it's not a good idea to apply lacquer too thick, no matter what the application type. There is a certain way you wipe on lacquer, it's not quite like wiping on paint. You basically wipe a stroke on and don't go back over it, make each stroke overlap a little, but you can't just keep going over lacquer with a brush over and over like you can with paint, you put a brushstroke on and leave it and continue on. And you have your brush full of lacquer, don't wipe off much excess, you want quite a bit on the brush to help it flow out properly. I don't know the amount of retarder to add since I don't wipe on tho. So basically, if you were to make some tinted wiping lacquer, here's the process: Since thinner is usually only used for shooting, you'd probably use no thinner, so you'd add your anilyne dye into the retarder, and you use -very little- retarder. If you use too much retarder, the finish will never dry hard, it will remain soft, so use the retarder -very sparingly-. So you've added the anilyne dye into the retarder and stirred well. *Or you can mix your dye into a little bit of thinner if you want, not much tho, but you need to add the dye into something that will break it down first before you add it into the lacquer itself, whether it's the retarder or a bit of thinner, doesn't matter.* Now you add the tinted retarder into your lacquer and stir that in gently but thoroughly. Now you apply it one even brushstroke at a time, going across the piece longitudinally, from top to bottom, not side to side, barely overlapping the last stroke, but a little bit. If you're using a Preval sprayer, then you'll be thinning it with thinner, so then mix your dye into the thinner. But I'd still recommend a -tiny- bit of retarder, even when using a Preval sprayer. Amount? For one Preval load, probably 1/4 teaspoon or so, just to give you an idea of amounts and ratios. A little retarder goes a long way, and too much retarder will ruin the finish. So you can make any color tinted lacquer you can possibly think of, just mix your anilyne dyes first to get the color shade you want, and away you go. That's it. Quote
AlGeeEater Posted July 31, 2004 Author Report Posted July 31, 2004 i dont mean to be a pain in the arse but is there anywere else i cna get aniline dyes besides online? Quote
Drak Posted July 31, 2004 Report Posted July 31, 2004 Check your local area phone book for any professional finishing supply places. Or ask a few local professional finish carpenters where they get their supplies locally. It will be a 'bulk' place. Or you could e-mail Behlen or Lockwood directly and ask them if they supply any places near to you. If you find a hit for Behlens, say, that same place will more than likely have 'everything', so if you find one hit, you'll probably hit the jackpot, dig? Quote
AlGeeEater Posted July 31, 2004 Author Report Posted July 31, 2004 http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Finishing_supp...d_Pigments.html is that the same stuff as translucent lacquer wen yo uadd it to lacquer? Quote
skibum5545 Posted July 31, 2004 Report Posted July 31, 2004 These concentrated pigments mix in clear lacquer to produce opaque (solid) colors. Quote
AlGeeEater Posted July 31, 2004 Author Report Posted July 31, 2004 oh....well how the hell do i mix that...with just anilyne dye and water based lacquer? Quote
Drak Posted July 31, 2004 Report Posted July 31, 2004 You don't buy 'pigments', you buy 'anilyne dyes'. Stew-Mac sells them as Colortone metallic stains I think, but I thought you wouldn't buy on-line, have you changed your mind that fast? Water-based lacquer is a completely different product. Everything I have referred to thus far has been concerned with regular lacquer, not water-based. Hang in there, you're creeping forward. Quote
AlGeeEater Posted August 1, 2004 Author Report Posted August 1, 2004 Stew-Mac sells them as Colortone metallic stains I think, but I thought you wouldn't buy on-line, have you changed your mind that fast? LOL...well i would only buy online if my mommy would buy it lol. cuase i dont have a credit card yet. And i dont theink stew mac had any regular lacqur...just in the areosole cans. Or is that what i should get for the mix? but yes....i am creeping forward and thanks for the help Quote
Drak Posted August 1, 2004 Report Posted August 1, 2004 Check your local area phone book for any professional finishing supply places. Or ask a few local professional finish carpenters where they get their supplies locally. It will be a 'bulk' place. Or you could e-mail Behlen or Lockwood directly and ask them if they supply any places near to you. If you find a hit for Behlens, say, that same place will more than likely have 'everything', so if you find one hit, you'll probably hit the jackpot, dig? Have you done this yet? You might not have to go on-line to buy, you just have to find the 'right' place near you. Where are you located, town and country, maybe I can find one for you. Quote
litchfield Posted August 1, 2004 Report Posted August 1, 2004 Thats the duplicolor blue metalcast topcoat. Thats your easiest option Quote
AlGeeEater Posted August 1, 2004 Author Report Posted August 1, 2004 Have you done this yet? You might not have to go on-line to buy, you just have to find the 'right' place near you. Where are you located, town and country, maybe I can find one for you Nah i havent but i think im going to go with the easy way out. Litchfield's idea was good. I saw the metal cast at Aut ozone but they didnt have the color i wanted Drak thanks for all the help though. On my next project ithink im going to do the transparent laqcuer Thats the duplicolor blue metalcast topcoat. Thats your easiest option After i apply that over the sanding sealer should i just use coats and coats of lacquer and dupli colors clear coat? Quote
AlGeeEater Posted August 1, 2004 Author Report Posted August 1, 2004 Oh ya, litch if you have anymore pics of the metalcast blue id greatly appreciate it Quote
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