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  1. The start of the empirical and pragmatic approach (because common sense and theory says this bass is going to fall to pieces) meant fitting a bridge, some tuners and some strings and putting real-life tension on to see what happened. Mick, the owner, was ahead of me an already had sent his preferred hardware (that triggered a few more challenges, more of which later). Aware that the zero-angled neck would probably mean a heavily recessed bridge, Mick's preference was to fit a tune-o-matic and stoptail. At this stage, I would only need to drill for the stoptail. But before I did that, I HAD to stabilise the extremely long (from the tailstock up to the heel) parting of one of the neck laminations) because the two sides of the body were wobbling about everytime I touched it! Not a great way of doing it, but I flossed the joint as best I could (yes, that sandpaper goes right through: Then swamped it with Titebond Extend and clamped the life out of it. The crack didn't seem to extend beyond the heel, but I will be drilling into the heel and gluing a stabilising dowel in there before I'm done. I also put the levelling beam on to flatten out the significant set bow, so that I could assess the relief and the effectiveness of the trussrod. Some of the frets were sanded down to almost nothing but they were all going to have to come out anyway. Then the stoptail bushes holes drilled, tuners fitted, bridge placed in a representative position, strings put on and tightened up: It was tuned up, left overnight and then checked. Conclusions were: It held tune (really!) The neck stood up to a fair bit of manual attempts at bending and distorting with no cracks, failures or tuning variation The relief was OK. Interestingly, the neck seemed very, very stiff and relief didn't change at all with progressive tightening of the truss rod (that, otherwise, seemed to be behaving itself) and nor when the stings were slackened or tightened! The acoustic tone and volume was pretty impressive Hmmm....
  2. Yes! I was at a bassists forum meet recently and became reimpressed (sure there's a better word than that) with one of the fellow builder's lit up dots. However, he uses LEDs and, having seen his build threads, it's not for me! Optic fibre seems to me to be the ideal way to go - so yes, very interested in seeing someone do one...
  3. Hi, @pan_kara. I still experiment from time to time and you have me thinking. Folk who use vacuum bags for cold gluing veneer (including most commercial ones) would glue the sections together first. For a multi section area, it might be possible to pre glue and the ne careful with the iron to not melt the joint before the adjacent sides are secure... For the above example, however, I secured the middle strip, then pushed the second strip against it with the iron and held firmly with the cloth until the glue grabbed, then pushed the third strip against the second in a similar manner, etc
  4. Hi, @pan_kara Your question has reminded me that I never covered this aspect...in spite of the last line of my last post! I'll try to remember to do a more comprehensive answer but in brief: Using 'wet' glue and heat using the iron approach certainly exacerbates the expansion / contraction cracking issue for some veneers (and veneer types really do vary a lot with this). I'll cover this when I add to this thread... However, to get an edge that doesn't shrink away is, potentially, easier than some of the other veneering techniques Basically, whenever the heat is applied, the veneer is 'floating' on molten PVA. You therefore iron it INTO the desired critical position. But then the important point - AS SOON AS you've taken the iron away, press and hold the veneer in position firmly with a rolled up cloth (to apply very firm pressure without burning yourself) for a few minutes until the PVA has solidified back enough to fully grab. That edge will not move again until and unless you reheat that area and re-soften the glue I'll try to find some time to more fully complete this thread in the next couple of days Andy
  5. So the change of plan was this: Doing it the 'proper' way was simply not going to work. ie Send it back from whence it came or attack it to try to pull it apart with almost certain bonfire material at the end of it Or onto the pragmatic - with the unknown glue potentially ready to catastrophically fail anywhere and everywhere else, a bit like with 'Tom's African Fretless' build, could it be established that at least the neck was strong enough and sound enough? And if it was, then simply secure all the rest of the exploding components as best as they could be. I discussed it fully with Mick, the new proud owner, and he agreed. Let's go for it He also brought me up to date with things he would like incorporating into the build... Based on the well known formula that "near-impossible challenges = extreme excitement", I became very excited indeed But first, was it going to be strong enough....
  6. Words that didn't contain some ripe anglo-saxon expletives failed me, too, at about 3 1/2 hours in!
  7. It's the flexi stainless steel sheet I use with the bending iron for the acoustic. Keeps the steam in and is said to reduce splitting...
  8. So - to taking it all apart. Let's start with the panel that is already 80% off (and I exaggerate not). That'll come off easily. Here's the palette knife: and here's how far it goes in: Easy - a bit of steam will have that off in minutes... ....four hours later (FOUR HOURS!!!!) after trying: steam hot palette knife very hot thin scraper medium japanese saw huge japanese saw hammer chisel I even got this far and I STILL couldn't get it off: but eventually....it came off. You can see the small areas that were stuck by the lighter patches on the mahogany. With reference to the 'take it all apart and rebuild it' master plan....clearly in need of a rethink!
  9. I've go to say, stale marshmallows work just fine on many of my builds but, like all things, it's all about practice and technique. And expectation. Hmmmmm....maybe I could do another 'Bedroom Builder' tutorial on the topic
  10. Yes - in fact, it won't be much different in the end to a full build....
  11. It looks superb, Scott. I also have one of those dremel binding attachments. As you say, they are quite tricky to use....but not as tricky as hand-cutting. I bow to your skill and patience ref the scroll.... Andy
  12. I'm standing and clapping too. That is such a special looking guitar....
  13. As you can imagine, I spent a lot of time just looking at this...and measuring...and thinking...and sticking things into various bits of it....and bending things...and re-measuring. First of all, the woods. Neck: Oak centre (yes - quite!) then maple (maybe) then mahogany then at the headstock more maple (maybe) then a darker mahogany-type of wood Body: Ash top then mahogany then maple (maybe) then mahogany then OAK!!! Cross-grained!!!!!! Other observations included: Catastrophic failure of a number of the glue joints - probably due to water or dampness damage It must be therefore assumed that ALL the joints are suspect Had it been re-glued in the past? At first it looked like it had...now I wasn't not so sure The fretboard was clearly ebony but appeared to be a bit sine-wave shape. The frets looked like they have been levelled with a used house-brick My conclusions and good intentions (during the time I was still attempting to be correct and proper in my luthierial approach) were to: Take it all to bits, clean it up and rebuild it part by part. As you will soon see....so much for good intentions...
  14. In my own experience, making silly mistakes never quite goes away A number of things happen, though: you generally make fewer mistakes on each build you do you get a LOT better at putting right those mistakes you get madder and madder with yourself at the remaining mistakes you do make The gaps in your body joint are very modest - it is, in my personal view, a pretty impressive joint for a second build. I tend to use stainable timbermate for such stuff, choosing the dark or light version depending on the final colour, using a drop of stain mixed in to quite a wet mix. I then apply to the crack with a fine paintbrush, let dry and sand carefully with very fine grit. Once the main stain is applied to the wood, it is unlikely you would ever see the fill in normal circumstances. Fully endorse what @Prostheta says about not using filler for tearout. The build is looking great, by the way
  15. Lovely neck carve and yes, very interesting and individual headstock shape. I like it
  16. For some reason, I've only just caught up with this, Megan. An exceptionally comprehensive review....never seen anything quite like it before. Can't wait for the next video! Andy
  17. This is a bit of an oddity. So much so that true luthiers should look away now. And to the general readers...DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME - the techniques and methods demonstrated in this thread have been undertaken by an inexpert who has spent years gaining no skills and expertise and therefore has a complete and imperfect knowledge of what he is dealing with. The techniques on view are not conventional and should not be attempted by anyone who has the slightest amount of common sense or sensitivity to fellow builders or modifiers of instruments. I was contacted a few weeks ago by a guy I did some small stuff for last year. He'd bought an old 'project' bass (70's/80's) on fleabay and it turned out to be in even worse condition than he'd suspected. "Now who would be daft enough to take this on?", he thought ",....Oh yeah....that crazy guy who made that bass out of african balsawood...Wonder if he's been let out of the institution yet...." Was I happy to take a look? Of course Now when it arrived.....wow. At first sight it looked OK. A bit Alembic Stanley Clarke (although emphatically NOT an Alembic)...definitely a bass of its time...not my kind of thing but quite characterful: Now - you may have noticed the little dark line between the middle neck splice and its neighbour... ...the through-crack looking dark line: ...and the 'go crazy with a blunt forstner bit' chamber ...and the 'just go crazy - why waste energy putting a bit into your press drill....let's try a rusty nail instead' control chamber rout: Oh...yes...and about those body laminations...why use glue when you can use old marshmallows?: This isn't the stripping commencing - this is finding out how deep that crack is ( and that's a 9" palette knife!): So, Andy. Fancy tackling this, then? Too b****y right Andy does!!!!
  18. This is the first of an occasional series of tutorials covering tips and techniques for those of us who have limited facilities for building and finishing guitars and basses but nevertheless still wish to produce results that are fit for purpose and perfectly respectable - even when pitched against those produced in fully-equipped guitar building shops. This first tutorial covers wipe-on varnishing. Overview Gloss finishing of a guitar or bass can be daunting for the Bedroom Builder with visions of spray booths, compressors, burnishing wheels and high degrees of skill. With the wipe-on approach, a perfectly acceptable result can be achieved with the minimum of equipment and facilities. What does this tutorial cover? This tutorial aims to: explain the process of wipe-on varnishing detail some tips and techniques to produce a perfectly acceptable finish with the minimum of equipment and facilities explain the important differences between this and a spray finish (especially nitro) and particularly relating to the final stages and polishing This tutorial does not: claim to be the best or only way of producing a non-sprayed finish claim that this method of finish can compete with a professionally sprayed commercial-standard finish. It can, however, produce surprisingly good results that would bear close examination before revealing its humble origins. represent necessarily the quickest way of finishing. Its aim is to produce an acceptable finish when faced with limited resources What types of finishes can the wipe-on technique be applied to? Most standard finishes can be varnished using the wipe-on technique, including: Natural wood finish: Stained wood finish: Solid painted finish: Facilities and Equipment Do I need a workshop? No. Wipe-on varnishing can be done in any convenient room or facility, providing that: there is adequate ventilation there are no naked flames or other high-temperature sources in the immediate vicinity no major sources of air-born dust are present These are general precautions, but please always ensure that you read and follow the specific guidelines relating to the specific varnish or thinners you are using. What equipment do I need? The specific varnish illustrated is standard household polyurethane clear varnish, thinned with standard household decorators’ mineral spirits (white spirits). Other varnishes can be applied using the wipe-on technique, although some experimentation may be needed to optimise the proportions of varnish to thinners. The equipment needed is: That is: rubber gloves varnish (in this case clear polyurethane gloss varnish) compatible thinners (in this case white spririts) a mixing/storage jar soft micro-fibre cloths for the application of the thinned varnish. The ones I use are low cost, budget hardware-store cloths and they work just fine. Other conventional lint-free cloths may be suitable, although ‘lint-free’ often isn't! Micro-fibre cloths – in my experience – generally are. Additionally, and optionally, I use an additional type of microfiber cloth to remove any dust from the surfaces prior to varnishing. I use the type that are sold as window-cleaning cloths and find these much better than many commercial ‘tack rags’ that sometimes leave sticky deposits...and sometimes even leave bits. Process What stage of the finishing process is this tutorial starting at? For illustrative purposes, it will be assumed that it is a guitar or bass body that is being varnished and that it is ready for varnishing. It is therefore assumed that the guitar body: has been finish sanded-down to final pre-varnish levels where applicable, any stains/dyes or paint coats have been applied optionally, in the case of natural wood or stained finishes, a sealer has been applied to reduce excessive absorption of the initial varnish coats. What are the main stages in the wipe-on varnishing process? Preparing the body and thinning the varnish Wiping on layers of varnish and periodic ‘flattening’ the hardened varnish with abrasive paper Final flattening and finishing coats Hardening period and final polishing Stage 1 - Preparing the body and thinning the varnish As explained above, this tutorial assumes that the body has been sanded down to a grit level ready to start varnishing. In normal circumstances, grit fineness up to P600 should be more than sufficient. Finish the final sanding ‘with the grain’ to avoid any cross-hatching. Dust control is critical for wipe-on. Points to note are: for approaching the first hour after application, dust landing on the surface will tend to stick it is all too easy to allow dust to contaminate the cloths or the varnish Simple precautions help, such as: wipe down the surface to be varnished with a lint-free cloth dampened with water, naptha or white spirit (refer to product guidelines for suitability and precautions) if possible varnish in a room that has had air limited movement for the previous hour or so varnish from each side, middle outwards – not reaching over the freshly applied varnish short-sleeves help while varnishing. A remarkable number of fibres are shed from shirt sleeves! if at all possible, don’t varnish where cats live...that fine downy fur!!! once the surface has been varnished, tip-toe out of the room and leave it undisturbed for at least an hour micro-fibre cloths do not shed fibres. However, they can collect dust. Before use (somewhere other than the room where the varnishing is going to be applied) shake vigorously to remove any dust. Thinning the varnish is important for wipe-on. Out of the tin, varnishes tend to be too thick to work well and it is easy to be left with ridges (‘brush’ lines) in the finish. Thinning helps to avoid this. Main principles here include: wipe-on works at its best with multiple coats of thinned varnish. Thinned down, each coat will dry fast, allowing up to 3 coats a day mix the varnish and thinner in an appropriate jar (follow manufacturers guidelines relating to fumes and fire risks) for initial coats, up to 30% thinners is usually OK. The final coats (see later) can often be thinned as much as 50% Mix by gently agitating the jar. If bubbles form, let them fully disperse before using the varnish Stage 2 Wipe-on of Initial Varnish Coats Wiping on the initial coats is a straightforward process. However, the key to this process is multiple coats of very thin applications of varnish: It is best, if possible, to wipe the main applications onto a horizontal surface as the thinned varnish runs readily. It is helpful if the room where the varnish is being applied is well lit, or has a natural light window, so that the surface can be viewed obliquely periodically to ensure that no areas have been missed Wear protective gloves – latex or nitrile allow the ‘feel’ to be maintained (nitrile is more durable against solvents than latex) Dip the microfibre cloth into the varnish and gently squeeze out the excess against the side of the glass jar. Wipe a stripe of varnish in line with the grain (usually neck to bridge / bridge to neck) With a centre-joined surface, there is less chance of dust contamination if the wiping starts along the midline and each new stripe of varnish moves from the middle towards one side, and then from the middle towards the other side. If there is no centre line, the application will be more even if wiping starts from one side towards the middle and then from the middle to the other side. However, doing it this way there is more chance of dust from your arms or clothing falling onto the wet varnish because you will be leaning over wet varnish for that first stage Do not try to wipe too wide a stripe at a time – you need ideally to get from top to tail (or vice-versa) in one smooth run Recharge the cloth, squeeze out and apply the next wiped strip, overlapping by 2-3mm As you progress, check the coverage from time to time by looking from either end of the guitar at the reflection from your light source or window – any missed areas or dust buggies will be immediately obvious. If you need to redo an area due to missed or uneven coverage, do so immediately on the strip concerned while it is still fluid and always wipe along the full run from tip to toe – a wiped correction in the middle of a run will show once dry If you see a missed area in a run that you did more than a few minutes before, leave it. It will cover over at the next application but any attempt to re-wipe varnish that has already started to harden will leave wipe marks. When you get to the final edge, apply a very thin wipe to the guitar sides, all the way round. Without recharging the cloth, run round the bottom edge of the sides once more to smooth out any drips that may have formed. Tip-toe out of the room, trying to minimise any dust movement for at least the first 30 minutes! Once the varnish is dry (thinned varnish is usually dry enough for further coats after 4-5 hours), repeat the process. Every 4-5 coats, check to ensure there is not excessive rippling or ‘dust buggies’. In this shot you can see that the ripples have cumulatively increased over a few coats: If there are excessive ripples or imperfections: leave to harden overnight (as a minimum) sand the surface with 1500-2000 grit wet and dry used wet until the ripples are flattened wipe the surface with a clean, damp cloth once fully dry, continue wiping on coats Stage 3 Final Stages The number of initial coats depends on preference and other factors such as the amount of flattening, the thickness of each application, the absorbency of the wood, etc.. As a guide, this bass body was ready for final flattening and final coats after around 8 coats, applied over 4 days. The final steps are important and are different to some other forms of finish application – notably nitro finishes. The main difference is that nitro layers, and some other finishes, ‘melt’ into previous applications. These finishes "dry" through the evaporation of their carrier solvents. The solvent within each subsequent layer applied re-activates the previous layer slightly, causing both to blend into one. This allows buffing up with cutting pastes or mops down through the layers to a buffed-up shine. This approach does not work with polyurethane finishes! Polyurethane applications harden chemically in addition to their carrier solvents (thinners) evaporating, and then allow well-bonded further layers to be added on top. The gloss is produced by the final layer of varnish. Hence buffing or cutting would remove that layer and expose previous layers, giving rise to dull finishes and contour lines or "witness marks" where the boundaries between successive layers can be seen. Nevertheless, the final stages of wipe-on polyurethane varnishes are straightforward and – if you are not happy first time – repeatable. The final steps are: Allow the varnish to fully dry. A week is a good representative minimum Flatten the surface with P2000 grit wet and dry paper used wet to remove any final imperfections or dust buggies Wipe clean with a damp cloth and ensure it dries fully Thin the varnish to a total of 50% thinners Charge the micro-fibre cloth, squeeze out and wipe on one very thin coat as with Stage 2 above Allow to dry overnight This final coat is usually easy to apply. However, because it is very thin, once it is dry, you may be able to see dull patches where it had been previously flattened. If not, leave it and move to the final steps! If so, apply one more final coat directly on top of the previous one. In exceptional cases, it may need a third coat. If you are not happy with the final coats, remember that the process is repeatable. Once a satisfactory finish has been achieved, there remains only the hardening and final polishing stages. Small aberrations and low levels of small dust buggies will polish out at this final stage: Leave the final coats to dry and fully harden. A representative minimum here is 2 weeks. Longer is better. Polish with a quality low-cutting auto polish. Meguiers Ultimate Compound is ideal. Remember – you do NOT want to rub through the final thin gloss layer. Apply the polish by hand with a soft cloth and polish off with a clean cloth. It is polished by hand so that there is no possibility of generating enough heat to cut through that final gloss layer! At this stage, you should be able to take a photo of yourself in the reflection!
  19. I've paid a lot of therapy fees to help me forget about banjos....and NOW I'VE REMEMBERED THEM AGAIN!!!!!!
  20. Just to finish the list...traditional arch top jazz guitars are also often floating bridge. I'm pretty sure the Hofner 'Beatles' violin bass is also floating. Ive worked on floating bridges a number of times and, in terms of intonation, they have their advantages against a fixed saddle type of arrangement. If the intonation is out a bit, you just slacken the strings off a bit and give the bridge a nudge forwards or backwards a bit. Darn sight easier than filing compensation angles on a bone saddle!
  21. It's looking really, really good. Lovely contrasts of colours
  22. Looks pretty good to me You've also given me an idea. We have a kindergarten next door to us....think of the productivity with just a bit of organisation. I could be churning out a guitar every week!
  23. That is a significant amount of progress, actually, Scott. Closing the body is also a very important milestone. The build continues to reflect the care and skill you are putting into this, Scott
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