!!METAL MATT!! Posted September 15, 2004 Report Share Posted September 15, 2004 Hi there a few months ago I tryed to stain my flying v black with a water-based acetaline dye on flamed maple. When I was done it looked great as far a I new so I brought it to an automotive shop for them to laqer it for me and the laqer refused to adhere to the wood so I brought it home with me and sanded it down and tryed agan with a new die but same type and I did the laquer my self and I had the same problem. so now Ive got this new dye [blendal powder stain-concentrated] and I don't know how to use it for my next guitar so I thought insted of trying blindly and destoring another axe I would ask for help this time Thanks !!METAL MATT!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hurt Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 did you use a sealer? A sealer will help the laquer adhere. You may want to read this: Sealer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 A sealer will help the laquer adhere. not true... did you clean your wood thouroughly?that is the only thing i know of that would cause that...or else you used close grained wood and sanded it to a higher grit than you should have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibum5545 Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 or else you used close grained wood and sanded it to a higher grit than you should have But wait-- Drak sands his figured maple tops, which are as closed-grained as any wood out there, to 4000 grit before finshing IIRC. What gives? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!!METAL MATT!! Posted September 16, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 did you clean your wood thouroughly?that is the only thing i know of that would cause that...or else you used close grained wood and sanded it to a higher grit than you should have I thought cleand the wood well but I may not have but it sounds more likely that it was a close grained wood and I sanded it to a higher grit than I should have. !!METAL MATT!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drak Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 Only thing I can think of is that you used an oil-based stain? That would definitely cause adhesion problems. PS, I don't always buff to 4000 grit, but I never have adhesion problems when I do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southpa Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 I also suspect an oil based stain. Stains only cover the wood, whereas, dyes actually penetrate the wood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!!METAL MATT!! Posted September 16, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 (edited) No I know it was a water based dye and it did penetrate the wood very well and thats why I don't know what's going on with it. !!METAL MATT!! Edited September 16, 2004 by !!METAL MATT!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdguitars Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 it maybe that you did not sand correclty or you were not letting enough lacquer get on the wood? I don't think that a auto shop would spray something that was not prepped right... very interesting problem. Some pics here would help a ton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!!METAL MATT!! Posted September 16, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 it maybe that you did not sand correclty or you were not letting enough lacquer get on the wood? I don't think that a auto shop would spray something that was not prepped right... very interesting problem. Iam sure they would but I have 2 problems, 1. I don't know how to upload pics yet 2. The guitar was sanded so thin that it lost is look altogeather so now it's scrap wood and it's in 5 pices. sorry!! !!METAL MATT!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhemann Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 Only thing I can think of is that you used an oil-based stain? oh yeah...i didn't think of that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!!METAL MATT!! Posted September 21, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2004 now Ive got this new dye [blendal powder stain-concentrated] and I don't know how to use it sorry it took me so long to back at this but I could still use some info on the above dye/stain Thanks !!METAL MATT!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanKirk Posted September 21, 2004 Report Share Posted September 21, 2004 I also suspect an oil based stain. Stains only cover the wood, whereas, dyes actually penetrate the wood. Cool info, thx. This thread topic is another example of why I get mixed up info about stains/dye. Thread topic says "stains" but then discussion is about "dye". Very confusing for a mentally challenged noob like myself when trying to sift through all the hits using the search function. If you have time Metal Matt, let me know what caused your problem and how you fixed it. Please and Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!!METAL MATT!! Posted September 21, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2004 , let me know what caused your problem and how you fixed it. Please and Thanks! No problem I will give you all the info I can when I get some. Thanks !!METAL MATT!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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