DaveK Posted May 5, 2003 Report Share Posted May 5, 2003 A buddy of mine who builds antique furniture was telling me about a device called a "Duplicarver Machine" From what I understand this is a also known as a Pantograph Router This a very low tech but effective concept. Apparently you can accurately duplicate any 3D object I guess the way it works is that you guide a stylus over your original master and it removes the excess stock from your duplicate So, in theory, you could make exact copies of any type of Guitar body, neck, headstock, etc Has anyone heard of this or used it? I would be interested in hearing about your experiences Thanks Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted May 5, 2003 Report Share Posted May 5, 2003 Hum kinda like this one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted May 5, 2003 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2003 That's what I am talking about... Although that one is WAY more expensive that several others I have seen! Any experience with one of these? Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Rosenberger Posted May 6, 2003 Report Share Posted May 6, 2003 Doug at VH-Guitarstore has one of those coming in this week, although quita a bit larger than that one. Stay tuned..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryeisnotcool Posted May 6, 2003 Report Share Posted May 6, 2003 hey is there plans out there that i could get to build one of these? and about how much do they go for?$ rye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vh-guitarstore.com Posted May 6, 2003 Report Share Posted May 6, 2003 there are 2 companies that make them that i know of...one is the link that brian showed by allred.....thats the one i ordered....the other company name i forget right now, terre something.....theirs are a lot cheaper than the allred and doesnt come with the router and some other things. i went with allred for the precision and durability....i got the 3 hp router upgrade and some custom bits..almost all companies have one of these machines.....jackson has one that carves 2 necks at once......basically, its a stylus that moves over a object and a router comes and cuts a block of wood to match...im sure its not hard for a machine shop to make one, im sure ill draw up plans and have a local shop make another one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted May 6, 2003 Report Share Posted May 6, 2003 They are a bit tricky to set up at first and ok to do things like the trem cavity for a Jemstyle body but other than that the only other use would be a carved top and trust me since you have to put up with a smaller router on the arm side they can burn up bits and can make for some serious dust. Still if your into making bodys or other things on a regular basis I would recommend one and yes I've used an industrial sized one before. Stick around maybe somebody will post the directions on how to build your own. One last comment, they do take up a lot of room in the shop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vh-guitarstore.com Posted May 7, 2003 Report Share Posted May 7, 2003 yeah they are big....the one i got is super big, weve been trying to figure out where to station it for ease of flow....its a good thing we have plenty of room.... we are just using it to do necks and some contours until all the 3d cad programs are done...but it should be able to handle whole guitars(with the upgrade), i know a couple companies that using it for that...plus ill use it mainly to make templates....scott will be stationed there all weekend transfering from plywood to plexiglass templates....our library of templates has expanded so much now its scary....scary for scott that is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Rosenberger Posted May 7, 2003 Report Share Posted May 7, 2003 Just call me Bitch Boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted May 7, 2003 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2003 What templates do you have????? List 'em out dude!!!!!!!! No fair saying "whatever you want" Dave K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vh-guitarstore.com Posted May 7, 2003 Report Share Posted May 7, 2003 geeze....lets see kramer pacer, circa 1981 kramer 5150 kramer hot for teacher kramer frankie ad kramer baretta, circa 1983 kramer baretta circa 1984 kramer baretta 2 kramer pacer kramer pacer 2 kramer nightswan kramer telecaster fender telecaster warmoth strat charvel strat charvel green meanie charvel jake e lee kramer star warmoth explorer jackson vinie vincent vee(scotts fave) performance flame ibanez jem ibanez universe ibanez rg(rear and top rout) ibanez jpm wolfgang ernie ball evh and im working on the old racer x series and the winger explorer and whatever else i forgot to list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86barettaguy Posted May 7, 2003 Report Share Posted May 7, 2003 I'm thinking a simple version of that machine would come in handy some day. it definitely would simplify the process of copying a body... I think I'll have to start designing a simple rig for doing just that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Rosenberger Posted May 8, 2003 Report Share Posted May 8, 2003 jackson vinie vincent vee(scotts fave) That thing is soooooo lame, but to each his own I guess Doug, You forgot to list the necks too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryeisnotcool Posted May 8, 2003 Report Share Posted May 8, 2003 hey scott i was thinking, since your gonna be very busy getting to know your new machine . do you think it would be possible (if yo have the time of course) to take maybe a picture of each side of this tool? i have an uncle who is a machinest and also a genius and he said he would help me build one, but he needs some pics to start designing from. if you could i would really appretiate it, but i dont want you to get in trouble so only do it if youre allowed. thanks rye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vh-guitarstore.com Posted May 8, 2003 Report Share Posted May 8, 2003 ill draw a working drawing for you and take some pics its basically a simple track system with up /down and back and forth movement well, i have neck templates for all the bodies listed as well plus maybe a few more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted May 8, 2003 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2003 Guys..... What is it with KISS & their signature guitars being sooooooooooo stupid looking Let me break it down for you all: Gene Simmons: Kramer AXE Bass & "The Punisher" Vinnie Vincent: Jackson Double V Paul Stanley: Washburn "Signature Iceman rip-off" & Now those STUPID Silvertone (Samick) Guitars Ace: Washburn "Ace" Signature model (IMO the WORST of the BUNCH) Notable acceptions are: Paul's Iceman (but it was already in production & therefore he can't take credit) Ace's Les Pauls (However, he looses points for the stupid Gibson signature model with the lightning bolt inlays & his face on the headstock) Please let me know if I am forgetting any of the KISS masterpieces out there!!! Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vh-guitarstore.com Posted May 8, 2003 Report Share Posted May 8, 2003 i dunno, ive never liked kiss at all......ive met them and know a lot of people that know them personally, and they ARE the stereotype i do like the axe bass though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbmcustomguitars Posted May 12, 2003 Report Share Posted May 12, 2003 If you are looking for an inexpensive duplicarving table you might be interested in this... www.copycarver.com... I am putting the finishing touches on the table as you read this.. I'll let you know if it is worth the time & $$$... It is large and ugly, but the principal seems very straight forward... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted May 12, 2003 Report Share Posted May 12, 2003 Hi cbmcustomguitars welcome to the forum cool tool your building there. Here is a direct link to there site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vh-guitarstore.com Posted May 12, 2003 Report Share Posted May 12, 2003 there you go for the guy that wanted to make one......the one thing i was **** about was tolerances and exactness.....which is why i went with allred.....and after unpacking it and setting it up, im glad i did.....there are a lot of measurements to worry about in setting up, not to mention a level table....even the crate it came in was remarkably built....i doubt there are many machine shops that could duplicate it for that much of a savings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKG Posted May 12, 2003 Report Share Posted May 12, 2003 While researching, I came across the copy carver, also, as well as another one, the Terrco. Though it is more $$, I am probably gonna go with the Gemini VH, when you get a chance, a review..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vh-guitarstore.com Posted May 13, 2003 Report Share Posted May 13, 2003 a first review..... this is made with unbelievable tolerances....its rock solid....everything is machined perfectly.....these guys really know what they are doing......the travel of the arm and router is very smooth......there is no doubt this machine will last a long time......the whole thing appears to be made out of steel..... for some reason(im odd this way) the box it shipped in impressed me alot.......id like to hire whoever made that box...the skill that went into it was amazing....and plenty of wood screws holding it together.....which i salvaged cuz im cheap......plenty of poplar in the box to hold things down.....imay use the box for a nice planter or something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted May 13, 2003 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2003 Show the bodies!!! Show the bodies!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKG Posted May 13, 2003 Report Share Posted May 13, 2003 Thanx VH! Now....let's see pics of that first neck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vh-guitarstore.com Posted May 13, 2003 Report Share Posted May 13, 2003 im still getting used to it...the big thing is setting it up.....you have to have the necks or anything you carve ligned up perfectly and then clamped down...takes a few minutes...i probably need to get a few more bit/follower sizes.....i did a couple of necks today......ive got about 10 to do tomorrow.....they came out pretty nice so far im not really going to do any bodies with it......im pretty fast on the pin router with bodies.....i may do the countours on it though....if its faster than how i do them now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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