Nitefly SA Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 i working on a bucket head tribute guitarand he has a double fat strat type set up in his LP two humbuckers,a volume,two tone, but in the fourth hole he has a kill button similar to this http://cgi.ebay.com/Push-Button-Switch-Nor...1QQcmdZViewItem now if i did all the wiring standard except instead of the wire going to the output it went to this, then the output, would that work ? thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erikbojerik Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 I don't know the particulars of that switch, but it probably will not work like you want it to. That looks like a toggle switch, not a contact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68 lost souls Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 http://www.seymourduncan.com/forum/showthr...ght=kill+switch this might help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegarehanman Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 All you need is a spst button(an on/off button). Have the ouptut going to one pole and the ground going to the other. When it's off, you can play your guitar as normal; when it's on, your output is grounded(killed). Radio shack or any other electronics part supplier should have them. You should be able to find a color that suits you too. peace, russ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemleggat Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 Get a Push to Break button switch if you just want it to cut out while you are touching it, in other worlds it doesn't latch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erikbojerik Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 But...I think the effect you want is to have the signal shorted when you're NOT pushing the button, i.e. when you hit the button, and only when you hit the button, sound comes out. Am I right? It's like working the toggle on a Les Paul with the neck pup dialed down to zero; that's why a kill switch is typically a toggle switch wired to the output, instead of a button. If you wanted to go SPST button, I think you'd need a separate toggle just to engage the button (but I may be wrong...), otherwise you'd be making silence (not noise) when you push. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Mariah Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 You need a normally CLOSED momentary switch. Just wire it in line right before the output jack. Most of the Jackson JJ series guitars were like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitefly SA Posted September 29, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 Yeah, i want a non latching switch that cuts out when pushed, any body have links to where i can find one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erikbojerik Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 Yeah, i want a non latching switch that cuts out when pushed, any body have links to where i can find one? ← Clarity please....you want a switch that OPENS the circuit when pushed, right? You DON'T want the sound to "cut out" when pushed, right? Push=Sound and noPush=noSound, right? You need a normally CLOSED momentary switch. Just wire it in line right before the output jack. Most of the Jackson JJ series guitars were like this. Yes, I think this is what he wants. But...if you just wire it in line with the output jack, then the circuit is closed all the time (i.e. hot shorted to ground, so no sound)...until you push the button. So you can't play normally unless you have a separate toggle switch to take the kill button out of the circuit when you want. I can't see a way around that....or am I just thick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaam Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 "Yeah, i want a non latching switch that cuts out when pushed, any body have links to where i can find one?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovekraft Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 (edited) If you want to kill the sound when the button is pushed, just get a NO (Normally Open) momentary contact switch (yes, just like the Ebay auction you originally linked to, before this got so complicated), and wire it from hot to ground at the output jack. DO NOT attempt to implement a killswitch by opening the circuit - it is a very bad idea, for reasons that a quick forum search for kill switch will reveal! Here's one (well, actually four) that will work: Mini SPST Momentary Switch Or email the guy from Ebay and see if he's got any more. If you want to kill the sound when the button is released, use an NC switch - although I can't see any practical way to use it. Buckhead... isn't that on the north side of Atlanta? Edited September 29, 2005 by lovekraft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Mariah Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 Yes, I think this is what he wants. But...if you just wire it in line with the output jack, then the circuit is closed all the time (i.e. hot shorted to ground, so no sound)...until you push the button. So you can't play normally unless you have a separate toggle switch to take the kill button out of the circuit when you want. I can't see a way around that....or am I just thick? ← You're misunderstanding what I mean by "wire it inline". Connect one side to the lead coming from the pickup switch and connect the other to the output. The switch is normally closed so when you play it will work right. When you hit the button it breaks the connection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erikbojerik Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 OK, thanks BM & LK for clearing that up for me. I've been pondering a similar addition to an axe of mine, which is why I got stuck on this. But I gotta say, as a player, to me the action on a normal kill switch is totally backwards...but maybe that's just me. Sure it's easy to wire up, but I would never want to get silence from pushing the button, it would be too awkward to get used to. I want the same outcome you get when hitting a piano key, or tapping the fretboard. Push down to get your sound, release to mute. use an NC switch - although I can't see any practical way to use it NC is the same as a "push to break" switch. I'll see if I can draw what I'm thinking... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erikbojerik Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 OK, my thoughts on paper. I debated starting a new thread, but this seemed more sensible here. Red is hot, black is ground. This button is actually the reverse of what Nitefly is after. It should produce sound when you push the button, and mute when you release the button. It is an extra component (switch + button) but this is more intuitive for me for doing staccato stuff, much more like working an LP toggle with the neck pickup volume at zero, but with a button you have better control over rhythm and timing of the effect. The button is a momentary "normally closed" button, a.k.a. "push to break" button. When released, the hot shorts to ground (mute); when pushed the short is broken and the signal goes to the output jack in the normal way. The DPDT ON-ON switch is to take the button in and out of the circuit. In the up position, the button is engaged. In the down position, the hot bypasses the button and goes straight to the output jack for regular output. Let me know if I've goofed it up...it should work for both passive & active. I've not tried this yet, but the Shack is on my way home... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovekraft Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 You're workin' too hard, Erik - simply wire a SPST toggle switch to connect your pushbutton switch to the hot lead. When the toggle switch is open, the killswitch has no effect on the circuit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitefly SA Posted September 29, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 what i meant was "buckethead" he uses it and does cut outs during songs and it sounds cool, also jack white has some cut out moments that i dont think i could duplicate with out this switch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erikbojerik Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 You're workin' too hard, Erik ← Hehehe...yeah that's me alright. Thanks LK! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovekraft Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 Nitefly, I understand what you're trying to do, but remember, Eddie Van Halen used to manage it with a toggle switch while nearly comatose - it ain't the switch, it's the switcher! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitefly SA Posted October 1, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2005 i dont wanna burn out a switch or anything, besides i wouldnt take the chance of leaving it off when i wanted it on and visa versa get everything screwed up and the world would implode so the buttons for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnewman Posted October 1, 2005 Report Share Posted October 1, 2005 (edited) i dont wanna burn out a switch or anything, besides i wouldnt take the chance of leaving it off when i wanted it on and visa versa get everything screwed up and the world would implode so the buttons for me ← You do realize that a "button" is still a switch, it's just one that you push instead of toggle, right? I'm not sure I really understand the attraction of a kill switch, but if all you can find is a push-on pushbutton momentary switch (SPST), connect it from signal to ground and you're done. (EDIT: Uh... yeah. Like lovekraft posted five posts ago. Remove the toggle if you don't want to be able to kill your kill switch.) I'm also not sure about this... but I bet that Jack White's POS plastic guitar from Sears that only has one working pickup doesn't have a kill switch . Edited October 1, 2005 by jnewman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weezerboy Posted October 1, 2005 Report Share Posted October 1, 2005 jack's 'cut out' noises are made by hitting the pickup with the ball of your hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitefly SA Posted October 1, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2005 i know the buttin is still a switch, it just automatically turns itself back on wich is wat i want, and thanks weezerboy, i was unaware of that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitefly SA Posted December 31, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 ok i got that switch, a couple of them actually, now i cant get it to work the way i want to it plays when pressed it doesnt cut out while pressed like i wanted am i wiring it wrong or did i get the wrong switch? this is how i have it wired now. Ground----------->jack Hot---->N.O switch------>jack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovekraft Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 Try this Hot---->N.O switch------>ground Hot---->jack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashez Posted January 1, 2006 Report Share Posted January 1, 2006 Ive been trying to follow this, but im still a little bit confused, So i made some pictures of what i think is the wiring for the killswitch, im hoping someone can tell me if im right or not. Wiring One Wiring Two Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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