Stu. Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 Hey guys! I've always been slightly nervous about posting here, because all of the guitars I've seen are absolutely stellar. My building adventure started a few years ago, with no previous woodworking experience, and my skills have come a long way since then. Anyway, I want to push things to the next level with a guitar that I've just started - it won't be as good as the PG standard, but it'll avoid the pitfalls and frustrations of my previous projects. It's a one-piece wenge body with a zebrano top... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pan_kara Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 Welcome! I've only started 1,5 years ago with no previous woodworking experience this is a great place to share with others the ups and downs of learning to build, while watching other people's brilliant work. How's the wenge body? Not stupidly heavy or impossible to work with? I like the combination of a bright top with a dark body, I'm toying with an idea of a wenge body myself so your experience will be useful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu. Posted January 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 Welcome! I've only started 1,5 years ago with no previous woodworking experience this is a great place to share with others the ups and downs of learning to build, while watching other people's brilliant work. How's the wenge body? Not stupidly heavy or impossible to work with? I like the combination of a bright top with a dark body, I'm toying with an idea of a wenge body myself so your experience will be useful Thank you! Yeah, a lot of people have recommended this forum if you're interested in some serious lutherie, so I'll be concentrating hard! Wenge is pretty cool, but it's been a lot of effort so far. My thicknesser struggled with the full-width body, I had to invest in some decent Trend cutters to prevent tear-out and chattering, it splinters at every opportunity (gloves are a good idea), and the dust from sanding is really dirty... kinda like ebony. I had On the positive side, the fact that it's so tough means that it's harder to wreck with sanding, and it cleans up really nicely with a cabinet scraper. It's 40mm and 2.7kg right now - hopefully a few cavities and contours will fix that! It looks so good though... you should definitely try it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottR Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 That's a very nice start and a really sweet looking wood combination. Don't worry about trying to meet any standards but your own. Do your best and ask every question that presents itself, and we'll do our best to answer them and give advice whenever requested.......and often even if never requested. SR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psikoT Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 I'm not fan of zebrano - I personally think it's horrible - but I must admit that top looks very nice over the wenge body... thumbs up to that wood combination, looking forward to see more advances... welcome to the forum! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu. Posted January 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 That's a very nice start and a really sweet looking wood combination. Don't worry about trying to meet any standards but your own. Do your best and ask every question that presents itself, and we'll do our best to answer them and give advice whenever requested.......and often even if never requested. SR Thank you! I'm sure there will be some daft questions, as well as plenty of advice on smarter methods. I'm not fan of zebrano - I personally think it's horrible - but I must admit that top looks very nice over the wenge body... thumbs up to that wood combination, looking forward to see more advances... welcome to the forum! If I'm honest, I just wanted a cheap top to contrast the wenge without any staining... zebrano seemed to fit the bill! It feels quite soft though and smells terrible, so maybe not again! Here's what I have in terms of a neck so far: The fingerboard was gluing overnight and I only had time to tidy it up a little today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajax Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 Looking forward to watching this one to see what you do with that top. Also, not a fan of zebrano, but I seem to remember a green dyed explorer type thing in a thread a while back that I thought looked pretty awesome. It may have been from killemall. Anyway, keep up the good work it's looking good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu. Posted January 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 Looking forward to watching this one to see what you do with that top. Also, not a fan of zebrano, but I seem to remember a green dyed explorer type thing in a thread a while back that I thought looked pretty awesome. It may have been from killemall. Anyway, keep up the good work it's looking good. Hah, I didn't realise the wood would be so polarising! I'll give him a shout and pick his brains. I was actually just going to hit it with some Tru-Oil, but I do quite like the idea of a blue stain too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottR Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 andyt dyed a zebrano topped guitar an almost neon green a few years back........ SR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajax Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 That must be the one Scott. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RestorationAD Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 Hah, I didn't realize the wood would be so polarising! I'll give him a shout and pick his brains. I was actually just going to hit it with some Tru-Oil, but I do quite like the idea of a blue stain too.I consider myself a bit of a Zebrawood specialist. My advice is too look at the contrast in the stripes. If the contrast is strong and interesting just use oil. If the contrast is lower a properly applied dye can make the guitar.AndyT's green explorer was amazing. I managed to do an orange burst on a 7 string that turned out ok as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapfohl Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 Man I don't know what you're talking about, this looks amazing! I love the wood combination, but I do agree on Zebrano being a pain to work with (and stinks like cat piss). What are your plans for the guitar after it's done? Being built for you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu. Posted January 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 I consider myself a bit of a Zebrawood specialist. My advice is too look at the contrast in the stripes. If the contrast is strong and interesting just use oil. If the contrast is lower a properly applied dye can make the guitar. AndyT's green explorer was amazing. I managed to do an orange burst on a 7 string that turned out ok as well. The first one looks great with the stain on, but I think I'd have to bleach mine to get anything like that. There's loads of contrast, so it's going to look like the one at the bottom! I definitely think it has enough character without stain. Man I don't know what you're talking about, this looks amazing! I love the wood combination, but I do agree on Zebrano being a pain to work with (and stinks like cat piss). What are your plans for the guitar after it's done? Being built for you? The body is getting light cream binding too, so it should work well with the wood combo. I still can't get over the damn smell :\ This one is more of a proof-of-concept for me than anything else - it's either going to be the example I show people, or another stepping stone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RestorationAD Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 Man I don't know what you're talking about, this looks amazing! I love the wood combination, but I do agree on Zebrano being a pain to work with (and stinks like cat piss). What are your plans for the guitar after it's done? Being built for you? The Zebrawood I get always smells like horse manure. Zebrawood is splintery and prone to warping. I have cut up boards and watched them curve an 1" laying on the bench over hte course of a few hours. The best stuff is always quartersawn and very contrasted. They were finished years ago. The top one is the prerunner to the S9 7 string models. The bottom one was a one off for my brother (as payment for helping me start the company). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 Nice work Stu. I'm another one who has a love/hate relationship with zebrano. That looks sharp over the wenge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu. Posted January 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 (edited) Nice work Stu. I'm another one who has a love/hate relationship with zebrano. That looks sharp over the wenge. I have some cream binding to put on there too, so hopefully that won't kill it! I spent quite a lot of time planning all of the remaining tasks for this build... I now have an ordered last to follow, instead of mulling everything over in realtime. The neck is key at the moment, because it worries me the most. I cut the nut shelf out today, routed out part of the tenon (the pickup cavity bit), routed the binding channel, then drilled for inlays and dialled in a rough 12" radius. I've had issues in the past with shallow fret slots and sanding through inlays, so I'm being mindful. Also, ebony dust is getting EVERYWHERE. Edit: The light was too bad for a photo with the radius. I have a rookie question too... when it comes to sanding the radius, do you guys aim to keep the centre line depth consistent, or the edge depth? The former seems to make sense, otherwise the neck essentially gets pitched. Edited January 10, 2014 by Stu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nowa90 Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Whats the offset you used for laying the dots out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu. Posted January 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Whats the offset you used for laying the dots out? The centres are 5mm from the fingerboard edge and the fret slot edge (the doubles at the 12th and 24th are offset by 15mm). The 21st and 24th are centred between fret slots (~4.5mm), purely because of the limited space. 5mm seemed the best compromise to keep those from looking out of place and give some clearance from the fret crown. I've used 6mm MOP dots, but I should have probably gone with 4mm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu. Posted January 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 I tried to edit my previous post, but it wouldn't let me.. apologies for the double-posting... Despite being a very calm guy, this ebony has made me want to implode with a combination of rage and despair! It's been eating sawblades, clogging up sandpaper, shattering, and the dust has been getting everything so dirty. The fret slot depths are fine on this one, but keeping the binding clean was a nightmare in this order. Next time, it goes on earlier! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RestorationAD Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Despite being a very calm guy, this ebony has made me want to implode with a combination of rage and despair! It's been eating sawblades, clogging up sandpaper, shattering, and the dust has been getting everything so dirty. The fret slot depths are fine on this one, but keeping the binding clean was a nightmare in this order. Next time, it goes on earlier! Ummm.. welcome to being a luthier. \m/ There is a reason normal people don't work with exotic woods. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu. Posted January 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 Ummm.. welcome to being a luthier. \m/ There is a reason normal people don't work with exotic woods. Amen to that! Yesterday was wenge splinter day... good times! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu. Posted January 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 Progress is still kinda slow, but I've bound the body and routed the neck pocket. I still need to trim the heel down though, because it's about 10mm too thick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottR Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 This is looking very clean. Carry on with the same nice work. SR 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu. Posted January 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 This is looking very clean. Carry on with the same nice work. SR Thank you! I'm really holding my breath on this one until it's done. Does anyone have experience bleaching zebrano (or any wood, because I've done none!)? I have some black and blue solvent-based dyes for the finish, hopefully to give it some depth and then it'll sparkle with oil, but I'd like to lighten up the yellowy sections to give the blue some more clarity. A test piece that I've experimented on is giving more of an aqua/teal colour and doesn't offer much contrast (granted, I do need to thin the stain down). This is my first experience with solvent stains too... the colour on this is so much more vibrant than the water-based ones I used before! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu. Posted January 29, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2014 Here's how we're looking right now: I have a bit of contouring to do on the body, maybe a bevel or roundover too, and the jack socket hole... then I need to focus on the neck :\ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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